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EU ChatControl is back on the agenda

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Re: EU ChatControl is back on the agenda

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Post by Zak »

2-3-7-43-1807 wrote: post #34
consumerx wrote: post #21

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exactly or deducing points when caught speeding ....

depends on how you define it. in my book a SCS requires that what impacts the score is disconnected from what is impacted by it. the Punkte are just impacting your driver's license. the Schufa score can lower your chances to get an apartment just because you had problems with a cellphone provider.

Paying a phone bill and paying rent are close enough to the same kind of thing that it's rational to conclude someone who pays late or fails to pay one of those might also be delinquent on the other. A score based on bill payment history is just a credit score, not a social credit score.

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Post by mrtksn »

ajsnigrutin wrote: post #115
mrtksn wrote: post #86

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Funny enough, that's actually a sound proposal and is "somewhat" implemented as high ranking officials are expected to always be with someone documenting their acts. It is usually considered scandalous when they ditch their translator or secretary and talk with other high ranking officials in complete secrecy. It makes all the sense to have politicians %100 monitored %100 of the time. Store it in encrypted blackbox a…

Let's be fair, in a real democracy, there would be no government secrets... I mean.. we're paying for all that, we need to know. Imagine being an owner of a company, and having some middle managers talking stuff in secret and saying that you don't need to know stuff, just let them use the money, and you don't even get to see the contracts.

There would be government secrets as long as there's more that 1 country. Also, unlike companies countries have subjects can be bad actors and there's no way to get rid of, so some stuff will have to a secret even if the world is run by a single government.

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Post by cpursley »

LadyCailin wrote: post #104
cpursley wrote: post #82

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I still can’t get over that the UK arrests people over social media posts. Is the US the only place on the planet that actually has free speech?

The US does not have free speech. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/us/pro-palestinian-... I’m not suggesting the UK is better, btw, just rather that free speech already doesn’t exist anywhere. Some of these you can criticize because they aren’t public universities, and perhaps that’s fair, and the rest you can criticize because they weren’t arrested for protesting, but rather having “illegal encampments”, but…

Yeah, but are people getting arrested in America for social media posts?

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Post by elric »

the_mitsuhiko wrote: post #74
zaik wrote: post #4

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Popular among the population or popular among ÖVP politicians?

Popular across specific but impact parts of the population (parents).

I imagine this is popular in the same way Brexit was: only when the question is worded in a way that ignores all the possible negative outcomes. Something about having a cake and eating it...

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Post by cpursley »

pelorat wrote: post #111
cpursley wrote: post #82

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I still can’t get over that the UK arrests people over social media posts. Is the US the only place on the planet that actually has free speech?

> Is the US the only place on the planet that actually has free speech? Yes, USA is indeed the only country on the planet with absolute free speech. Most residents of other places doesn't actually want what the USA has.

Is that actually true or what their governments tell them that they want?

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Post by ajsnigrutin »

the_mitsuhiko wrote: post #2

And it will never disappear from the agenda. Chat control is widely popular among some influential parts of the population. After the attempted terrorist attack in Vienna for the Taylor Swift concert the topic didn’t leave Austrian media. A lot of parents are in favor of this independently of terrorism because of fear of CSAM. There is an awful lot of lobbying going on and given history of EU regulation this can only…

> A lot of parents are in favor of this independently of terrorism because of fear of CSAM.

A transparent CSAM checking process would be funny..

Imagine a 18, 19 yo., relatively skinny girl with small breasts (or a guy with a small dick) sending such a picture to her long-term boyfriend (...), and then getting messages from the system:

- "hello, our AI thinks your boobs are underage, we sent the photo to police station in Cityville for a manual checkup"

- "hello, the photo has been transferred to inspection team of Bobby Robertson, Johnny Walkerson and Jane Jameson to inspect"

- "hello, by a careful inspection of your boobs, with a 2-to-1 vote, the team has decided that your boobs are most probably old enough to be photographed and sent around. The photo was sent to your desired destination and just in case, arhchived in the police arhives for possible further inspections".

Re: EU ChatControl is back on the agenda

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Post by lofaszvanitt »

It would help a lot if counter-terrorism and other organisations fighting this kind of threat would publish a quarterly or annual summary (idk which is plausible) of the threats they've averted, the perceived number of threats they think are lurking out there, the number of cases that have not yet been solved and need to be taken down, etc. etc.

Re: EU ChatControl is back on the agenda

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Post by glenstein »

sharpshadow wrote: post #15
aussieguy1234 wrote: post #5

This could be abused in any number of ways and would probably make people and their precious children less safe in the long run rather than more safe. You can be sure Viktor Orban would use it to crack down on political opposition in Hungary, for example. In the wrong hands, could be used to have these precious children or their parents killed or worse. Authoritarian governments often do things, or threaten to do thi…

Orban doesn’t need to crack down on political opposition he has a strong majority in his country.[1] I guess you have a wrong opinion about Hungary and Orban because the media doesn’t like him because he is a pain in the ass for many plans of the European Union and gets bad reporting. Hungary has by the way not even 10 million residents. 1. https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/hungarians-vote-orbans-...

>gets bad reporting

He "gets bad reporting" because he has destroyed democracy in Hungary. Including but not limited to packing the courts, erasing the independence of media, and extreme redistricting that turned pluralities or slim majorities at the polls into super majorities in Parliament.

Recharacterizing that nightmare as if it is just 'reporting' helpfully introduces a layer of abstraction that implies there's nothing in his actions to condemn.

Re: EU ChatControl is back on the agenda

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Post by pelorat »

Djdjur7373bb wrote: post #117
minkles wrote: post #38

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Yeah normal here in the UK as well. I was at a party last year and someone just ordered coke off WhatsApp. This turned into a mess because they wanted to pay the "menu price" as advertised and two guys with a shooter turned up and took £500 off them instead of £200. So we have extortion, illegal drug dealing and illegal guns in one fine evening. ChatControl is not the solution however. Reporting it to the police didn…

The solution to that problem is simple: legalize the sale of all drugs. Extortion is a common practice of drug gangs, whether they sell online or not.

Then you need a system that prevents drug users from getting into vehicles, and also a system that disqualifies them from public healthcare. It's easier to criminalize drug use than to deal with the consequences.
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