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EU ChatControl is back on the agenda

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Re: EU ChatControl is back on the agenda

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I think the fascism you're looking for is in the UK and France this month.

I still can’t get over that the UK arrests people over social media posts. Is the US the only place on the planet that actually has free speech?

> Is the US the only place on the planet that actually has free speech?

Yes, USA is indeed the only country on the planet with absolute free speech. Most residents of other places doesn't actually want what the USA has.

Re: EU ChatControl is back on the agenda

#113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the fascism you're looking for is in the UK and France this month.

I still can’t get over that the UK arrests people over social media posts. Is the US the only place on the planet that actually has free speech?

There's not a single place on earth that "has" free speech, it's all shades of gray.

The US government will have you jailed, tortured, or just ruin your life in other innovative ways if you dare expose their crimes, e.g. Snowden, Assange.

Re: EU ChatControl is back on the agenda

#114
the chat control is one thing we need in order to make a great leap forward towards a safer EU. It's probably one of the most consequential pieces of high-tech that the EU ever created. We should all be thankful that it exists and not let a minority of lawyers prevent the future. Our basic freedoms can only be guaranteed with an extensive surveillance system to (preemtively?) remove bad actors in these perilous times.

Some EU countries are way ahead in this direction, and one could say they lead the way to the future. For example Greece has repeatedly used the Predator malware to spy on the communications of hundreds of people, including the leader of an opposition party (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Greek_surveillance_scanda...). As a result, millions of tourists flocked into the country in the following years, and everybody says it is great.

Re: EU ChatControl is back on the agenda

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I am in favor of ChatControl for politicians only: https://europeanconservative.com/articles/news/two-agencies-... "The Ombudsman accused von der Leyen and the Commission of ‘maladministration’ for failing to produce the deleted text messages, challenging the belief that such texts did not qualify as ‘documents’ under EU law."

Funny enough, that's actually a sound proposal and is "somewhat" implemented as high ranking officials are expected to always be with someone documenting their acts. It is usually considered scandalous when they ditch their translator or secretary and talk with other high ranking officials in complete secrecy. It makes all the sense to have politicians %100 monitored %100 of the time. Store it in encrypted blackbox a…

Let's be fair, in a real democracy, there would be no government secrets... I mean.. we're paying for all that, we need to know.

Imagine being an owner of a company, and having some middle managers talking stuff in secret and saying that you don't need to know stuff, just let them use the money, and you don't even get to see the contracts.

Re: EU ChatControl is back on the agenda

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Do you perhaps live in the US? The EU didn't shut down any nuclear power plants. Local politicians in Germany and Sweden (and perhaps more countries) did. And they were very much elected. I don't think any technocrats would do something that stupid.

The EU has elections every five years where the members of parliament are chosen. They very much answer to the public. Why would you think they don't?

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Yeah normal here in the UK as well. I was at a party last year and someone just ordered coke off WhatsApp. This turned into a mess because they wanted to pay the "menu price" as advertised and two guys with a shooter turned up and took £500 off them instead of £200. So we have extortion, illegal drug dealing and illegal guns in one fine evening. ChatControl is not the solution however. Reporting it to the police didn…

The solution to that problem is simple: legalize the sale of all drugs. Extortion is a common practice of drug gangs, whether they sell online or not.

Re: EU ChatControl is back on the agenda

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Yeah normal here in the UK as well. I was at a party last year and someone just ordered coke off WhatsApp. This turned into a mess because they wanted to pay the "menu price" as advertised and two guys with a shooter turned up and took £500 off them instead of £200. So we have extortion, illegal drug dealing and illegal guns in one fine evening. ChatControl is not the solution however. Reporting it to the police didn…

> two guys with a shooter turned up and took £500 off them instead of £200

Did they at least leave the coke?

Re: EU ChatControl is back on the agenda

#119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I still can’t get over that the UK arrests people over social media posts. Is the US the only place on the planet that actually has free speech?

There's not a single place on earth that "has" free speech, it's all shades of gray. The US government will have you jailed, tortured, or just ruin your life in other innovative ways if you dare expose their crimes, e.g. Snowden, Assange.

Well, sure - but generally speaking (for us normies writing random stuff on the internet) most of us are safe from that.

Re: EU ChatControl is back on the agenda

#120

Strange that these European utopias seem to be on the edge of collapsing into civil conflicts if the plebs are permitted to communicate with one another without government supervision.

Hitlers rise to power can be attributed to free speech, which is why saying some things, and promoting some things, will land you in prison in places like Germany.
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