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Re: Brazilian court orders suspension of X

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Defying court orders can get you arrested in any country even if you and others deem them to be “too arbitrary”

Moraes is on the Brazilian STF, the highest court in the land. In other countries, this kind of stuff would go through multiple lower courts. Here, the head guy is just giving direct orders and answers to approximately no one. So it's the orders of one judge acting as judge, jury & executioner, which is not how we normally think of lawful process. Now that is the Brazilian system but... there's a damn good reason oth…

You mean the dystopian movie? Funnily enough the Brazilian constitution, which allows atrocities like this, was written years after the movie.

Re: Brazilian court orders suspension of X

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Defying a court order can get you arrested in any country.

The orders of the brazilian court are just too arbitrary, and not just in this case. At some point it ceases to be a judicial court and becomes more of an Emperor's court where the Emperor is making laws as he is going on.

That sounds like a pretty American way to see things. What's next - we send F-16 to bring democracy to Brasil ?

Somehow, we came to normalize that US Tech companies, are above local laws. They pay virtually no taxes in countries they operate in.

The brazilian court does seem pretty arbitrary, and not behaving at all as we would expect (we, as in the 'West'). Just don't do business there and it's fine.

Re: Brazilian court orders suspension of X

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"People who use VPN to access X will be subject to daily fines of US$8,900" Edit: Thanks for this user https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41404325 for posting the court order and bringing this new information: Apple and Google must remove all VPN apps from their stores! Apple and Google must DELETE all VPN apps already installed on users' phones!!! https://apnews.com/article/brazil-musk-x-suspended-de-moraes...

Is it normal that a judge can impose such blanket fines on users?

This is Brazil. That guy is a judge-god-king. Whatever he writes on a piece of paper becomes law. Saddest part is even on HN you will find brazilians supporting everything he does.

Re: Brazilian court orders suspension of X

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A quick google search on Mike Benz came up with his recent interview by Tucker Carlson titled "The Deep State's Step-by-Step Plan to End Free Speech". You know Tucker Carlson is such a big fan of Putin, he was the only western journalist allowed to interview him, which he did. Just listen to the interview, they both just spew fascistic nonsense for two hours. Tucker desperately tries to have Putin condemn the America…

> A quick google search on Mike Benz....You know Tucker Carlson is such a big fan of Putin... Mike Benz probably uses higher quality evidence for what he presents than a quick Google search, whether he is right or not.

That's the fun part, he really does not.

Re: Brazilian court orders suspension of X

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Nah, the Brazilian government will lose this round. X is not going to cave, and the government doesn’t have the technological capacity to quickly spin up their own Great Firewall.

I bet China would be happy to help. It also cracks me up that people on this site were almost entirely in favor of a TikTok ban, but when it’s someone else’s government doing what amounts to the same thing then they’re “heading down a dark path”. Could folks please make up their minds and not treat the US as though it’s exempt from the “dark paths”?

Pretty simple explanation: US good, rest bad.

January 8th in Brazil - "troubled Southern American country", "broken democracy", "banana republic"

January 6th in the US - just a blip in the world's most perfect democracy. etc.

Re: Brazilian court orders suspension of X

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"People who use VPN to access X will be subject to daily fines of US$8,900" Edit: Thanks for this user https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41404325 for posting the court order and bringing this new information: Apple and Google must remove all VPN apps from their stores! Apple and Google must DELETE all VPN apps already installed on users' phones!!! https://apnews.com/article/brazil-musk-x-suspended-de-moraes...

I expected the fine but he actually ordered remote removal of VPN apps from user devices? That's pretty fucked up if true. Wow

Re: Brazilian court orders suspension of X

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"People who use VPN to access X will be subject to daily fines of US$8,900" Edit: Thanks for this user https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41404325 for posting the court order and bringing this new information: Apple and Google must remove all VPN apps from their stores! Apple and Google must DELETE all VPN apps already installed on users' phones!!! https://apnews.com/article/brazil-musk-x-suspended-de-moraes...

I uploaded the ruling to the Internet Archive along with a copy of the document pushed through Google Translate

https://archive.org/details/Brazil-Court-Suspends-X/

Re: Brazilian court orders suspension of X

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The same judge that is responsible for X's suspension ordered Apple and Google to take down VPN apps from their app stores as well. https://web.archive.org/web/20240830201851/https://www.conju... (Page 49 and 50, document is in Portuguese) Brazil is heading down a very dark path.

For anyone curious: Proton VPN Express VPN NordVPN Surfshark, TOTALVPN Atlas VPN Bitdefender VPN There are some pretty well known VPNs that are NOT on that list. Private Internet Access (PIA) for example is absent. Sure, it's used more for torrenting than anything else, but it's one of the most popular VPNs. I thought maybe PIA just doesn't operate in Brazil, but they actually have a specific page dedicated to it: ht…

Everything this judge hates is illegal. Only their complete technological incompetence can save us.

Re: Brazilian court orders suspension of X

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The listed VPNs are just examples. The order to take down VPN apps affects every VPN provider.

F-droid might be a solution. ProtonVPN, possibly others can be installed.

Wouldn't be surprised if he banned/fined F-Droid too.
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