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Re: Brazilian court orders suspension of X

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Post by polygamous_bat »

troupo wrote: post #80
Fabricio20 wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is actually more to this here, it was not just information about Brazilian users, the request was actually to shadowban (block without notifying the users) specific accounts. Some of those accounts happen to be political opposition (actual politicians too) to this judge and his party in general. I believe twitter or musk himself leaked all court documents when this request came in. Twitter/X closed shop because…

Just a year ago Musk was happily complying with censorship orders in Turkey [1] and [2] In Brasil's case he decided to abruptly pull out if the country. [1] https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/05/musk-defends-ena... [2] https://theintercept.com/2023/03/28/twitter-modi-india-punja...

The difference is: Brazil is being run by Lula Silva, who opposes Bolsonaro, while Turkey is run by Erdogan, and India is run by Modi.

If you want to connect the thread, look into what kind of leaders Bolsonaro, Modi, and Erdogan are.

Re: Brazilian court orders suspension of X

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Post by codetrotter »

throwaway87267 wrote: post #73
ddtaylor wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For anyone curious: Proton VPN Express VPN NordVPN Surfshark, TOTALVPN Atlas VPN Bitdefender VPN There are some pretty well known VPNs that are NOT on that list. Private Internet Access (PIA) for example is absent. Sure, it's used more for torrenting than anything else, but it's one of the most popular VPNs. I thought maybe PIA just doesn't operate in Brazil, but they actually have a specific page dedicated to it: ht…

The listed VPNs are just examples. The order to take down VPN apps affects every VPN provider.

What about apps like WireGuard for iOS, which implements the WireGuard VPN protocol but is not offering any paid VPN services or subscriptions. Are those kinds of apps banned too?

Re: Brazilian court orders suspension of X

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Post by inglor_cz »

marcellus777 wrote: post #67
robertlagrant wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's the structural link between X and Starlink?

Both are owned by Musk. I know that is too simple, but that is relatively common in Brazil (to easily link companies because they share owners or shareholders)

Looking at the "block all VPNs" judgment, I wonder if the next step is banning Teslas from the road.

Re: Brazilian court orders suspension of X

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Post by ein0p »

pr337h4m wrote: post #19
guywithahat wrote: post #7

This has been a bad week for Democracy/freedom of speech

Nah, the Brazilian government will lose this round. X is not going to cave, and the government doesn’t have the technological capacity to quickly spin up their own Great Firewall.

I bet China would be happy to help. It also cracks me up that people on this site were almost entirely in favor of a TikTok ban, but when it’s someone else’s government doing what amounts to the same thing then they’re “heading down a dark path”. Could folks please make up their minds and not treat the US as though it’s exempt from the “dark paths”?

Re: Brazilian court orders suspension of X

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Post by [deleted] »

robertlagrant wrote: post #48
marcellus777 wrote: post #26

for non-Brazilians trying to understand the situation: (1) a supreme court judge ordered X to remove some political profiles saying they are spreading misinformation (2) coincidentally (or not) most (if not all) profiles are from the opposition (3) Elon said that that was censorship and closed the office in Brazil (4) The judge applied hefty fines but those couldn't be fullfied since X doesnt have a bank account in B…

What's the structural link between X and Starlink?

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Re: Brazilian court orders suspension of X

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Post by inglor_cz »

VerminOctopus1 wrote: post #35

Well this is fun. Nice to see a government with some teeth for once instead of bowing to the whims of every multibillion mega corporation or agitated billionaire.

If you want to live under a government with a lot of sharp teeth against capitalists, North Korea may be your ideal country.

Re: Brazilian court orders suspension of X

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Post by crop_rotation »

jrflowers wrote: post #81
crop_rotation wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That was not the point I was making. In any case your point applies to defying the monarch too, which might be more applicable here.

This would be more applicable if Brazil had a monarch after 1889. Calling a judge that you don’t like a king does not make him one.

By this absurd logic calling the "Democratic People's Republic of Korea" a dictatorship does not make it one.

Re: Brazilian court orders suspension of X

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Post by Wytwwww »

NomDePlum wrote: post #55
guywithahat wrote: post #7

This has been a bad week for Democracy/freedom of speech

In what way? Musk decides what's OK and not OK on twitter. Twitter isn't a platform to promote democracy, it promotes what Musk wants. Twitter has turned into hot garbage. For years my feed was pretty clean as it's almost exclusively tech. Gave it up recently as it was clogged with right-wing conspiracy, odd videos and random made up AI young women randomly following me occasionally.

Sure, I can't really argue with any of that. How is it even remotely relevant in this case though?

Re: Brazilian court orders suspension of X

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Post by ta8645 »

jmclnx wrote: post #69

I am glad to see Brazil is not afraid of these billionaires. If only the US could start enforcing laws the same, no matter what your worth or who you are. I wonder if Brazil is finally going after corruption that I believe exists there. >“implement technological barriers to prevent the use of the X app by users of the iOS and Android systems” and to block the use of VPN applications. I wonder how they can selectivity…

You should be embarrassed to be such a petty authoritarian cheerleader just because that power is being abused against someone you dislike and disagree with.
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