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Re: Brazilian court orders suspension of X

#11

> The decision imposes a daily fine of R$50,000 (£6,800) on individuals and companies that attempt to continue using X via VPN. Fining even users is a bit surprising.

How can a court arbitrarily impose fines on users like this?

The goal is that it's a scare tactic. There is no technical way that these fines could be imposed at large, outside of say, people outing themselves publicly or similar. This is the same wording that was used when they blocked Whatsapp.

Re: Brazilian court orders suspension of X

#12

> The decision imposes a daily fine of R$50,000 (£6,800) on individuals and companies that attempt to continue using X via VPN. Fining even users is a bit surprising.

How can a court arbitrarily impose fines on users like this?

collaborating with a law breaker in contempt of court.

Re: Brazilian court orders suspension of X

#13
The same judge that is responsible for X's suspension ordered Apple and Google to take down VPN apps from their app stores as well.

https://web.archive.org/web/20240830201851/https://www.conju... (Page 49 and 50, document is in Portuguese)

Brazil is heading down a very dark path.

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#15

"People who use VPN to access X will be subject to daily fines of US$8,900" Edit: Thanks for this user https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41404325 for posting the court order and bringing this new information: Apple and Google must remove all VPN apps from their stores! Apple and Google must DELETE all VPN apps already installed on users' phones!!! https://apnews.com/article/brazil-musk-x-suspended-de-moraes...

I think he's just making it up as he goes along now.

Re: Brazilian court orders suspension of X

#16

Can anyone speak to the motivations of this judge? Does he have a valid/legal/moral point under Brazilian law with attempts to ban those accounts on X? Or is he just a toady for da Silva?

The core facts are: Brazil demanded information regarding Brazilian users, and believed it was in their right to do so. X believed that the requests did not comply with Brazilian laws, and refused. Neither side yielded, so X closed up shop in Brazil, and, as a result, Brazil is blocking access to X.

Re: Brazilian court orders suspension of X

#17

Can anyone speak to the motivations of this judge? Does he have a valid/legal/moral point under Brazilian law with attempts to ban those accounts on X? Or is he just a toady for da Silva?

Yes - there is a law that you need to have legal representation in Brazil and Musk is just flouting the law. So shutdown it is for Musk

That came after the judge's order to block the accounts. That is a secondary issue, not the primary one.

On that topic, can you speak to the judge's orders to freeze the bank accounts of X's legal representative, even after she had resigned? What's the deal there?

Re: Brazilian court orders suspension of X

#18

This has been a bad week for Democracy/freedom of speech

All Elon needs to do is have a legal representative in Brazil for his commercial venture. He chose this.

The courts threatened to arrest his legal representation if he didn't comply with their demands to take down accounts accused of spreading misinformation and hate speech. So Elon closed all offices in Brasil. You think he should risk having an employee thrown in jail?

Re: Brazilian court orders suspension of X

#20

> The decision imposes a daily fine of R$50,000 (£6,800) on individuals and companies that attempt to continue using X via VPN. Fining even users is a bit surprising.

Well we'll see how much teeth this fine based on how much Glenn Greenwald (who can't resist ranting on twitter) winds up owing.

Ironic he abandoned the US citing its freedom laws only to wind up in this situation.

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