Well this is fun. Nice to see a government with some teeth for once instead of bowing to the whims of every multibillion mega corporation or agitated billionaire.
I miss the days when religious zealots like you were against sex or whatever
Brazilian court orders suspension of X
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#132Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's ridiculous. You think Elon Musk goes around reading people's tweets and deciding what he wants or not? Or trained an AI model to only allow content that suits him? The guy literally gets community-noted every once in a while. It's free speech.
Try saying "cisgender" on Twitter, of course the guy is moderating speech he personally doesn't like. It's not difficult to observe.
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#133Earlier quoted context omitted.
Defying court orders can get you arrested in any country even if you and others deem them to be “too arbitrary”
Yes, and? Doesn't mean that anyone who could avoid it should feel compelled to accept that when this is done by an arbitrary and corrupt government. Also I'm not sure it's very common for courts to arrest lawyers (and basically use them as hostages) because of their clients actions in most countries.
> Doesn't mean that anyone who could avoid it should feel compelled to accept that
Courts can literally compel you to comply with court orders in virtually every country, unless of course as you have pointed out, you have the means to avoid being compelled.
The “… when this is done by an arbitrary and corrupt government” sentiment has no real meaning here as you have pointed out that Musk can avoid being compelled either way.
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#134For those saying "just use a VPN" -- who is to say the BR government isn't going to use this as a cash extraction weapon against those critical of the state. Pull up a list of all known BR notable people on twitter. See if they tweeted anything since the ban was in effect. Fine them and rake in the $$$. The govt probably WANTS it to be circumvented.
VPN users are being fined as part of the order, a pretty massive fine.
These rulings are clearly arbitrary and have no basis on anything. They should be thought more like a Monarch's orders. Yes the monarch can any day order using Linux you will have to pay a big fine if he somehow gets angry on Linux.
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#135Earlier quoted context omitted.
The listed VPNs are just examples. The order to take down VPN apps affects every VPN provider.
What about apps like WireGuard for iOS, which implements the WireGuard VPN protocol but is not offering any paid VPN services or subscriptions. Are those kinds of apps banned too?
And what about Anti-Viruses / Security apps, that usually have VPN functionality?
This is Kafkaesque!
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#136Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sure but I'm asking in theory, what is the power of justices according to their constitution.
That's explained in Article 102 of the Brazilian Constitution (in Portuguese): https://constituicao.stf.jus.br/dispositivo/cf-88-parte-1-ti...
So just from skimming a translated version, it does not seem like Judges have the power to impose fines, ban unrelated companies that are owned by the same person, or ban things like VPNs. Am I missing something?
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#137I am glad to see Brazil is not afraid of these billionaires. If only the US could start enforcing laws the same, no matter what your worth or who you are. I wonder if Brazil is finally going after corruption that I believe exists there. >“implement technological barriers to prevent the use of the X app by users of the iOS and Android systems” and to block the use of VPN applications. I wonder how they can selectivity…
You should be embarrassed to be such a petty authoritarian cheerleader just because that power is being abused against someone you dislike and disagree with.
You mean like Musk is happy to do what Brazil asked of him/X as long as it’s Turkey or another autocrat like Modi he wants to be in bed with?
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#138Earlier quoted context omitted.
Nah, the Brazilian government will lose this round. X is not going to cave, and the government doesn’t have the technological capacity to quickly spin up their own Great Firewall.
I bet China would be happy to help. It also cracks me up that people on this site were almost entirely in favor of a TikTok ban, but when it’s someone else’s government doing what amounts to the same thing then they’re “heading down a dark path”. Could folks please make up their minds and not treat the US as though it’s exempt from the “dark paths”?
For starters the US never threatened VPN users with a $9k daily fine
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#139How would the Brazilian gov. know if a person is visiting X on a VPN, if the VPN is of good quality?
They don't need to. Selective enforcement is a key point of dictatorships. They can apply this fine to people they don't like. In general all such orders will have a chilling effect.
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#140Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is not the government
The parent is saying Musk complied with these requests elsewhere without complaint, he's only making a fuss about it in Brazil. It's an odd hypocrisy or shift in strategy.
strategy about what? Elon isn't bound by some personal institutional law, he acts according to his whims. Even if we assume he was being hypocritical, the severe response from the judge makes the latter seem like he has ulterior motives
ps. every major company has applied double standards wrt censorship requests in the past, the subject has a long history