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Re: Joel on Software: The new Fog Creek Office

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Just curious, how come your profile is written in 3rd person? Is this really Joel Spolsky, or a representative?

spolsky gives way too many interesting comments to be just a representative.

wait a minute, are you spolsky?

Re: Joel on Software: The new Fog Creek Office

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Having my back to glass would drive me insane, and evidently all of the offices are like that: http://picasaweb.google.com/spolsky/FogCreekSNewOffice#52853... Check out all of the famous series 7 chairs: http://picasaweb.google.com/spolsky/FogCreekSNewOffice#52853... It's got that not-quite-a-prison institutional look to it. That's great if you're running a high school in the poorest district in Mississippi, but give…

Actually only the two interior offices have that layout. All the other offices have the desk facing a real wall with another behind it, and glass on the left and right.

Oh and the same room from another angle looks much less like a prison:

http://picasaweb.google.com/spolsky/FogCreekSNewOffice#52853...

Re: Joel on Software: The new Fog Creek Office

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Having my back to glass would drive me insane, and evidently all of the offices are like that: http://picasaweb.google.com/spolsky/FogCreekSNewOffice#52853... Check out all of the famous series 7 chairs: http://picasaweb.google.com/spolsky/FogCreekSNewOffice#52853... It's got that not-quite-a-prison institutional look to it. That's great if you're running a high school in the poorest district in Mississippi, but give…

Actually only the two interior offices have that layout. All the other offices have the desk facing a real wall with another behind it, and glass on the left and right. Oh and the same room from another angle looks much less like a prison: http://picasaweb.google.com/spolsky/FogCreekSNewOffice#52853...

Yeah, the view is sweet, but even the pigeons get it.

Re: Joel on Software: The new Fog Creek Office

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Better recruiting tool: Make an office that female developers want to work in, the male developers will follow.

Um...yeah. I think the biggest draw of any office is the pussy. That's what I care about. But I don't think you'd want female developers. Female sales staff, female secretaries, etc. Nice office, but without nice pussy, what's the point?

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Re: Joel on Software: The new Fog Creek Office

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How do we resolve "offices with doors that close" with "communal work environment" anyway? Are they just diametrically opposed office philosphies?

Here's the suggestion from Stewart Brand's How Buildings Learn : The best adaptation I've seen of the open-office idea is a partial retreat from it. People crave acoustic privacy so they can talk on the telephone, but visual privacy is not as important -- they like being able to see what's going on. This has led to a very satisfactory compromise called "cave and commons". Each office worker has a private office, ofte…

Interesting Stewart Brand documentary on the utility of buildings.

http://smashingtelly.com/2008/08/04/how-buildings-learn-uplo...

Re: Joel on Software: The new Fog Creek Office

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Here's the suggestion from Stewart Brand's How Buildings Learn : The best adaptation I've seen of the open-office idea is a partial retreat from it. People crave acoustic privacy so they can talk on the telephone, but visual privacy is not as important -- they like being able to see what's going on. This has led to a very satisfactory compromise called "cave and commons". Each office worker has a private office, ofte…

Interesting Stewart Brand documentary on the utility of buildings. http://smashingtelly.com/2008/08/04/how-buildings-learn-uplo...

Good god, I've got to forget that exists immediately so I can keep working. ;) Thanks for the link!

Re: Joel on Software: The new Fog Creek Office

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By the time we left the old office, it was costing us 2% of revenue. The new office is not full yet and is somewhat more expensive, but I expect that in the long run our real estate costs will be around 4%-6% of revenue, which is the norm for office-based workforces. The specific upgrades we paid cash for will probably end up costing 1% of an employee's salary, averaged out over everything, over the lifetime of the l…

Just curious, how come your profile is written in 3rd person? Is this really Joel Spolsky, or a representative?

copy paste

Re: Joel on Software: The new Fog Creek Office

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post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just curious, how come your profile is written in 3rd person? Is this really Joel Spolsky, or a representative?

spolsky gives way too many interesting comments to be just a representative.

Joel hang out here on a pretty regular basis.
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