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Re: Microsoft introduces Windows Phone 8

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For that matter, who is going to buy an Android 2.3 device now, since there's no reason to believe it will run Android 4.0?

Or an iPhone 3GS, since there's... oh, wait... and it was released when? ... 2009 you say? Astonishing. --------- EDIT: For the narrative impaired, I am saying that the 3GS is still being supported with major software upgrades despite being three years old, in stark contrast to all other major smartphone platforms.

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Re: Microsoft introduces Windows Phone 8

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iPhone 3GS, released June 2009 and iPhone 4, release June 2010, both get iOS 6 (albeit with fewer features than an iPhone 4S). No Windows Phone 7 is getting Windows Phone 8. Supporting older hardware = brand loyalty, and environmental responsibility. Yes an iPhone costs more - it's also going to be updated for longer...

Current Windows 7 phones are getting updates, 7.8. Contrast this with the original iPad which won't get ios 6 and it was released in 2010.

Re: Microsoft introduces Windows Phone 8

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Or an iPhone 3GS, since there's... oh, wait... and it was released when? ... 2009 you say? Astonishing. --------- EDIT: For the narrative impaired, I am saying that the 3GS is still being supported with major software upgrades despite being three years old, in stark contrast to all other major smartphone platforms.

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Re: Microsoft introduces Windows Phone 8

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Whenever MS does one of these presentations, they always seem to get 90% of the way there in terms of polish, focus and message. Why are they even bothering with branding "Windows Phone 7.8" ? They should have just named the update "Windows Phone 8 Legacy" and the actual WP 8, "Windows Phone 8".

Might just me, but I prefer "Windows Phone 7.8" vs "Windows Phone 8 Legacy". It's shorter, and when given a short explanation I get what it is. If you call it "Windows Phone 8 Legacy" people are going to wonder why they can't install WP8 apps on it, after all, it has WP8 in the name.

Edit: forgot the word "apps"

Re: Microsoft introduces Windows Phone 8

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iPhone 3GS, released June 2009 and iPhone 4, release June 2010, both get iOS 6 (albeit with fewer features than an iPhone 4S). No Windows Phone 7 is getting Windows Phone 8. Supporting older hardware = brand loyalty, and environmental responsibility. Yes an iPhone costs more - it's also going to be updated for longer...

"albeit with fewer features than an iPhone 4S"

And that's pretty much what's happening with WP7. Windows Phone users are getting an upgrade [1], but it won't be as fully-featured as WP8. Apple just did the slick move of calling both the partial update and the full update by the same name.

[1] http://www.slashgear.com/windows-phone-7-8-brings-wp8-ui-to-...

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Yep. The real tragedy of fragmentation is that Android still lacks any kind of brand power - they're the phone equivalent of yesterday's faceless beige windows towers. If Microsoft actually ship this in 2012, and have someone mildly competent in marketing, I wouldn't be surprised to see most American users once again choosing between MS and Apple.

I'm not really sure whether it's true or not that Android doesn't have brand power. I mean, it's not as strong as "iPhone", certainly, and I don't have any specs to show, but I sure notice "Android!" on signs in front of cellular shops a lot... and there's a giant green Android robot balloon on the top of a little wireless shop just down the road. Even my non-techie friends say things like "Is that an iPhone or a Dro…

It seems to me, Android phones focus much more on the brand of the device than the platform it is running...

"Samsung Galaxy S II Epic 4G Touch"

Ads might mention mention Android but much more verbiage is about the device features and the like.

iPhone doesn't need this. RIM really didn't need this.

Windows Phone adds I have heard, Nokias are now known for running Windows Phone, I haven't heard many commercials for other device manufacturers. But, for me, I know it is an Android phone when I hear the ridiculous names.

Re: Microsoft introduces Windows Phone 8

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iPhone 3GS, released June 2009 and iPhone 4, release June 2010, both get iOS 6 (albeit with fewer features than an iPhone 4S). No Windows Phone 7 is getting Windows Phone 8. Supporting older hardware = brand loyalty, and environmental responsibility. Yes an iPhone costs more - it's also going to be updated for longer...

"albeit with fewer features than an iPhone 4S" And that's pretty much what's happening with WP7. Windows Phone users are getting an upgrade [1], but it won't be as fully-featured as WP8. Apple just did the slick move of calling both the partial update and the full update by the same name. [1] http://www.slashgear.com/windows-phone-7-8-brings-wp8-ui-to-...

Except that it's not the same.

You'll actually get iOS 6 on a iPhone 3GS, whereas Microsoft is backporting select features to the older Windows Phone 7 OS.

That means still no native code, etc.

Re: Microsoft introduces Windows Phone 8

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iPhone 3GS, released June 2009 and iPhone 4, release June 2010, both get iOS 6 (albeit with fewer features than an iPhone 4S). No Windows Phone 7 is getting Windows Phone 8. Supporting older hardware = brand loyalty, and environmental responsibility. Yes an iPhone costs more - it's also going to be updated for longer...

Current Windows 7 phones are getting updates, 7.8. Contrast this with the original iPad which won't get ios 6 and it was released in 2010.

There's a legitimate reason for excluding the original iPad, though: it has to push four times the pixels as the iPhone 3GS, while still being limited by the same 256M of RAM that the 3GS has. Apparently at least one essential application (my guess would be Mobile Safari at least, probably many apps) couldn't provide an acceptable user experience within that constraint.

Perhaps there's a legit reason for the current Windows 7 phones, though. Does anybody know?

Re: Microsoft introduces Windows Phone 8

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iPhone 3GS, released June 2009 and iPhone 4, release June 2010, both get iOS 6 (albeit with fewer features than an iPhone 4S). No Windows Phone 7 is getting Windows Phone 8. Supporting older hardware = brand loyalty, and environmental responsibility. Yes an iPhone costs more - it's also going to be updated for longer...

Current Windows 7 phones are getting updates, 7.8. Contrast this with the original iPad which won't get ios 6 and it was released in 2010.

The original iPad got 2 major updates from iOS 3 to iOS 5.

Re: Microsoft introduces Windows Phone 8

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When Steve Jobs returned to Apple, he made it really clear that Apple's job wasn't to beat Microsoft. Apple then delivered on that assessment and created entirely new markets for themselves. Sadly, somehow, Microsoft went all XOR on our asses. I'm still baffled about how Microsoft is still trying to out-Apple Apple when they've repeatedly proven it's a disastrous strategy (see: Zune). Microsoft are kings of productiv…

Microsoft is already eating RIMs lunch without a buy out. A lot of RIM's enterprise software is tailor written for the old BBOS and wouldn't do MS a lot of good.
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