Microsoft introduces Windows Phone 8 • Hacker News Board

Re: Microsoft introduces Windows Phone 8

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Post by easyfrag » Wed, Jun 20, 2012, 5:20 PM UTC

cryptoz wrote: post #6

> incompatible with current devices Interesting. This may well be the right move for the long-term, but they're going to end up with a lot of angry early adopters right now. Android upgrades look nice all of a sudden.

More importantly Microsoft just Osborned Nokia's current product line. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osborne_effect

Re: Microsoft introduces Windows Phone 8

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Post by desigooner » Wed, Jun 20, 2012, 5:21 PM UTC

microtonal wrote: post #22

ttol wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think cutting all the legacy is a good move -- start over from scratch. They have the wherewithal to round developer support (and also leverage their Xbox relationships), so cutting baggage is a good idea.

I have a Windows Phone (Lumia 710) besides my iPhone, that I bought two weeks ago. The phone itself was released in Europe in November 2011. And now it's outdated/legacy already? It breaks trust. How would I know that if I buy a WP 8 phone that it will be supported with upgrades a year down the line?

Wouldn't such criticisms be valid for Android as well?

Re: Microsoft introduces Windows Phone 8

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Post by saturdaysaint » Wed, Jun 20, 2012, 5:22 PM UTC

wavephorm wrote: post #19

I imagine a lot of RIM and Google executives are getting a twitch in their eye right about now. If these new devices live up to their hype I can easily see them supplant Android as the "anything but Apple" option.

Yep. The real tragedy of fragmentation is that Android still lacks any kind of brand power - they're the phone equivalent of yesterday's faceless beige windows towers. If Microsoft actually ship this in 2012, and have someone mildly competent in marketing, I wouldn't be surprised to see most American users once again choosing between MS and Apple.

Re: Microsoft introduces Windows Phone 8

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Post by glhaynes » Wed, Jun 20, 2012, 5:23 PM UTC

brudgers wrote: post #28

sjwright wrote: post #17

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> I think cutting all the legacy is a good move Microsoft clearly agree with you, because they seem to be doing that with every generation of Windows Phone.

There's only been one generation of Windows Phone with two releases. Windows Mobile was substantially different and went through many generations with upgrades dependent upon carrier implementation.

True from Microsoft's perspective but from a customer's perspective it looks like "Windows for phones" changes radically and entirely incompatibly pretty often.

Edit: On the other hand, most of the current market probably didn't know about Windows Mobile so perhaps that's mostly moot.

Re: Microsoft introduces Windows Phone 8

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Post by falling » Wed, Jun 20, 2012, 5:23 PM UTC

sjwright wrote: post #21

thejake wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But who is going to buy a Windows Phone 7 device now? Nokia's already poor device sales is going to fall off a cliff.

For that matter, who is going to buy a Windows Phone 8 device now, since there's no reason to believe it will run Windows Phone 9?

For that matter, who is going to buy an Android 2.3 device now, since there's no reason to believe it will run Android 4.0?

Re: Microsoft introduces Windows Phone 8

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Post by eli » Wed, Jun 20, 2012, 5:24 PM UTC

microtonal wrote: post #27

eli wrote: post #13

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And is there an upgrade path from Nokia's current Windows phones to Windows Phone 8?

I don't know Engadget's source, but: http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/20/microsoft-unveils-windows...

Right, so it's just a new OS... but it effectively dead-ends the Lumia, making it considerably less valuable.

Re: Microsoft introduces Windows Phone 8

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Jun 20, 2012, 5:25 PM UTC

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Re: Microsoft introduces Windows Phone 8

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Post by fratido » Wed, Jun 20, 2012, 5:26 PM UTC

"Compiling in the cloud" - So i'll have to give my sources to Microsoft? Great for security checking, but hey - they can read my code and gain knowledge from it? That's just doesn't feel right.

Re: Microsoft introduces Windows Phone 8

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Post by eli » Wed, Jun 20, 2012, 5:26 PM UTC

sjwright wrote: post #21

thejake wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But who is going to buy a Windows Phone 7 device now? Nokia's already poor device sales is going to fall off a cliff.

For that matter, who is going to buy a Windows Phone 8 device now, since there's no reason to believe it will run Windows Phone 9?

It's one thing to know your phone will eventually be obsolete, it's another thing when that eventuality is imminent.

Re: Microsoft introduces Windows Phone 8

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Post by freehunter » Wed, Jun 20, 2012, 5:27 PM UTC

glhaynes wrote: post #34

brudgers wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's only been one generation of Windows Phone with two releases. Windows Mobile was substantially different and went through many generations with upgrades dependent upon carrier implementation.

True from Microsoft's perspective but from a customer's perspective it looks like "Windows for phones" changes radically and entirely incompatibly pretty often. Edit: On the other hand, most of the current market probably didn't know about Windows Mobile so perhaps that's mostly moot.

Twice in the past 10 years, or once every 5 years. That's the difference between iOS 1 (2007) and iOS 5.