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Re: Microsoft introduces Windows Phone 8

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Post by drzaiusapelord »

sjwright wrote: post #43

When Steve Jobs returned to Apple, he made it really clear that Apple's job wasn't to beat Microsoft. Apple then delivered on that assessment and created entirely new markets for themselves. Sadly, somehow, Microsoft went all XOR on our asses. I'm still baffled about how Microsoft is still trying to out-Apple Apple when they've repeatedly proven it's a disastrous strategy (see: Zune). Microsoft are kings of productiv…

MS isn't going after Apple. It probably can't, but it knows that if it delivers tablets and phones that can integrate with AD, Exchange, and other enterprise services and be a lot less locked down, they can steal Android's lunch and create a business friendly phone/tablet ecosystem.

If Joe and Jane Public buy those, that's great too. Oh, and they will because they'll feel comfortable with Windows, especially if they are told "Oh btw, you can have Windows on your phone and tablet as well as Office now, why bother with whatever Android is or that Apple stuff."

Its also a little silly to expect MS to not try to compete in these areas. Their Win8/Tablet strategy is big and risky and may or may not pay off, but conceding that realm to Apple and Google seems foolish. Personally, I like the idea of a "super tablet" that replaces my laptop entirely as opposed to this odd device that kinda sorta fits between my phone and my laptop.

Re: Microsoft introduces Windows Phone 8

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Post by [deleted] »

glhaynes wrote: post #12

What is it about its requirements that keep it from running on anything that exists today? The article just seems to talk about how it can support higher specs? (I ask because it'd better be a really, really good reason that it can't run on anything existing because that doesn't seem like good news for anybody.)

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Re: Microsoft introduces Windows Phone 8

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Post by sjwright »

konstruktor wrote: post #68
sjwright wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or an iPhone 3GS, since there's... oh, wait... and it was released when? ... 2009 you say? Astonishing. --------- EDIT: For the narrative impaired, I am saying that the 3GS is still being supported with major software upgrades despite being three years old, in stark contrast to all other major smartphone platforms.

You mean the 3GS from 2009 that will be supported by their pending iOS 6 release?

Astonishing.

Re: Microsoft introduces Windows Phone 8

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Post by ja27 »

sjwright wrote: post #43

When Steve Jobs returned to Apple, he made it really clear that Apple's job wasn't to beat Microsoft. Apple then delivered on that assessment and created entirely new markets for themselves. Sadly, somehow, Microsoft went all XOR on our asses. I'm still baffled about how Microsoft is still trying to out-Apple Apple when they've repeatedly proven it's a disastrous strategy (see: Zune). Microsoft are kings of productiv…

Before Windows Phone 7 even shipped, I was talking to my Microsoftie friends and said that I thought there was a great opportunity to build a phone that had the best Microsoft enterprise (Exchange and Sharepoint) integration, good free developer tools, and a good app marketplace with better organization and discovery than Apple's. Now throw in great Skype integration and Office support and they could have a good business phone. But if the phone doesn't have Dropbox, Pandora, and dozens of other high-profile apps users are already using on other platforms, that's a hard sell to anyone outside of IT departments.

I think there's also a window to build a decent consumer phone with great XBox integration. Make the phone essentially compete with Wii U and have great stand-alone mobile games too. That could be a great phone for twittering teens. You just have to get on other carriers besides AT&T though.

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Post by pook1e »

sjwright wrote: post #62
pook1e wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'm still baffled about how Microsoft is still trying to out-Apple Apple when they've repeatedly proven it's a disastrous strategy (see: Zune). I don't see how they're trying to out-Apple Apple in this case. They're releasing a mobile operating system for third party vendors to create hardware for. Remove "mobile" and this is the exact same thing they've been doing all along. > Microsoft are kings of productivity s…

> Are you forgetting that they're also still king of the consumer desktop? They're probably still the majority shareholder, but I wouldn't call them kings. And if they are kings, they're leading a dying kingdom. Have you seen the iPad sales numbers recently?

There is no denying that the traditional laptop/desktop market is slowly dying away due to the iPad (and soon Windows 8 tablets), but I don't understand why this should drive them to build a business only device. Microsoft is still a very consumer oriented company, in addition to their business "kingdom".

Re: Microsoft introduces Windows Phone 8

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Post by evilduck »

desigooner wrote: post #32
microtonal wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a Windows Phone (Lumia 710) besides my iPhone, that I bought two weeks ago. The phone itself was released in Europe in November 2011. And now it's outdated/legacy already? It breaks trust. How would I know that if I buy a WP 8 phone that it will be supported with upgrades a year down the line?

Wouldn't such criticisms be valid for Android as well?

It is, and it drove me from Android to iOS.

Re: Microsoft introduces Windows Phone 8

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Post by zdw »

iPhone 3GS, released June 2009 and iPhone 4, release June 2010, both get iOS 6 (albeit with fewer features than an iPhone 4S).

No Windows Phone 7 is getting Windows Phone 8.

Supporting older hardware = brand loyalty, and environmental responsibility.

Yes an iPhone costs more - it's also going to be updated for longer...

Re: Microsoft introduces Windows Phone 8

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Post by [deleted] »

sjwright wrote: post #44
falling wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For that matter, who is going to buy an Android 2.3 device now, since there's no reason to believe it will run Android 4.0?

Or an iPhone 3GS, since there's... oh, wait... and it was released when? ... 2009 you say? Astonishing. --------- EDIT: For the narrative impaired, I am saying that the 3GS is still being supported with major software upgrades despite being three years old, in stark contrast to all other major smartphone platforms.

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Re: Microsoft introduces Windows Phone 8

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Post by toyg »

druiid wrote: post #4

Wow, really Microsoft? You don't know better by now that if you're going to release a platform, hype is up like crazy and then basically leave people hanging... that it kills hardware/software communities? The WP8 features sounds great, but where does that leave my Lumia 900? I really love the phone and well, it sounds like I'm SOOL.

Welcome to the Nokia experience. I bought a N900 in 2010, and I was literally thrown under the bus not once (when Maemo was replaced by Meego), not twice (when the N9 debuted with a completely different UI) but three times (when they switched to WP7 even before the N9 was shipped).

Meanwhile MS was busy killing off WinMobile, then Kin, and now WP7.

And they wonder how Apple can get such faithful developers... A real mistery...

Re: Microsoft introduces Windows Phone 8

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Post by WrkInProgress »

Whenever MS does one of these presentations, they always seem to get 90% of the way there in terms of polish, focus and message.

Why are they even bothering with branding "Windows Phone 7.8" ?

They should have just named the update "Windows Phone 8 Legacy" and the actual WP 8, "Windows Phone 8".

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