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Thoughts on the Durov Arrest

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Re: Thoughts on the Durov Arrest

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Post by cja »

konart wrote: post #76
cja wrote: post #27

Why are so many people taking this at face value? There's a war going on and the man in charge of the communications system for one side flew to try to meet his leader and then flew to an enemy country where there was a warrant for his arrest. I'm not saying the French aren't serious about the charges they've published but they're hardly the main point. There's plenty in the media about the use of Telegram by the the…

> in charge of the communications system for one side Telegram us being used by both sides of the conflict. It is as populat in Ukraine as it in Russia. (or other ex-USSR states for that matter)

It's not used by the Ukrainian military. It is used extensively by Russian military and intelligence

Re: Thoughts on the Durov Arrest

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Post by cja »

sofixa wrote: post #99
cja wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your second sentence contradicts your first

It doesn't. Public service announcements are extremely critical for a nation at war.

They aren't secret. France and its allies having access to Telegram data/systems doesn't affect Ukraine's ability to use it for that purpose.

Re: Thoughts on the Durov Arrest

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Post by perching_aix »

willsoon wrote: post #62
hackcasual wrote: post #7

Trying to understand his legal situation by analogizing with US law understanding strikes me as some real Dunning-Kruegering. Surely someone like Preston Byrne has someone he can reach out to to get a better understanding of the actual French legal situation Durov is in.

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People who whine about Redditors are like people who whine about anime being for pedos. They're almost always what they complain about.

You managed to avoid being supposedly insufferable by refusing to parrot that Dunning-Kruger has been disproven, yet you still insisted on being actually insufferable by doing this whole performative holier-than-thou dance, to then end on a strawman (no, they did not say what you or the author can or cannot talk about).

Why? Do you legitimately not have even a shred of self-reflection? Or should I allege you're an "NPC", if that's maybe closer to your vernacular?

Re: Thoughts on the Durov Arrest

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Post by meiraleal »

dewey wrote: post #110
herbst wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I always was under assumption that these are all fake. There are ~300 people living nearby me. 5 are dealers and 10 prostitutes according to telegram.

Coordinates can be spoofed.

Oh, someone figured out the meaning of fake

Re: Thoughts on the Durov Arrest

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Post by akho »

SSLy wrote: post #127
fvdessen wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s worse than that, the ‘find people nearby’ feature is a public drug and prostitution advertising billboard with zero moderation and has been for years. They’re in a closer position to silkroad than lavabit

I wish it was actual dealers and hookers, it's just spam bots.

From what I see in these threads, it mostly depends on whether your local police chooses to enforce drug laws.

Re: Thoughts on the Durov Arrest

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Post by orwin »

I really wish people who don't know anything would shut up and wait for the GaV to end and the Ofmin judge statement before getting any conclusions.

Yes, France is more and more corrupt, the fact that they deny anticor the right to pursue lawsuit against companies and politicians since 2023 is proof, but this arrest in particular seems well within the legal system (if he is kept under surveillance for more than 96 hours however I will agree with the author, but frankly it's a 'broken clock right twice a day' kind of agreement)

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Post by StrLght »

surfingdino wrote: post #94
pjerem wrote: post #12

> What it means is that European states are going to try to extraterritorially dictate to foreign companies what content those companies can and cannot host on foreign-based webservers It looks like the author failed to grab that Durov asked for the French nationality and therefore is a French citizen who must comply to French law. > Telegram is not the only company in the world which has a social media platform used…

Telegram in the primary communication platform for the Russian forces in Ukraine. That may or may not be of interest to the French authorities, but the fact that it is also used by the Russian mercenaries taking control over former French colonies definitely is. A French citizen aiding Russian military and mercenaries in the French sphere of interest is asking for trouble. This is pure conjecture, btw.

Indeed, Russia's ridiculous OPSEC has nothing to do with France enforcing its' laws. Even if this was the case, they're a few years late.

Re: Thoughts on the Durov Arrest

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Post by surfingdino »

SSLy wrote: post #126
surfingdino wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Telegram in the primary communication platform for the Russian forces in Ukraine. That may or may not be of interest to the French authorities, but the fact that it is also used by the Russian mercenaries taking control over former French colonies definitely is. A French citizen aiding Russian military and mercenaries in the French sphere of interest is asking for trouble. This is pure conjecture, btw.

FWIW I've been told it's sometimes also used by the Ukrainian diaspora to communicate with their families back in the war zone. Tough whatsapp appears to be more popular for that.

Its use is banned by Ukrainian military. I guess civilian use is still permitted.

Re: Thoughts on the Durov Arrest

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Post by surfingdino »

SSLy wrote: post #128
surfingdino wrote: post #88

> Summing up: for the time being, if you run a social media company, or if you provide encrypted messaging services, which are accessible in France, and you’re based in the United States, get out of Europe. If you make a mockery of the law enforcement's requests made within the scope of the local laws then yes, you should get out. Especially if you show your middle finger to the country you visit and hold citizenship…

More importantly, this puts him (mostly) out of reach of moscow too.

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