Thoughts on the Durov Arrest
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Thoughts on the Durov Arrest
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#2“Summing up: for the time being, if you run a social media company, or if you provide encrypted messaging services, which are accessible in France, and you’re based in the United States, get out of Europe.”
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#3This analysis leaves out the fact that Pavel Durov is, with Telegram, in approximately the same position Ladar Levison was with Lavabit. Unlike Meredith Whitaker, Durov actually is in a position to furnish documents to the French government, where he has citizenship. He's in that position because he has repeatedly made deliberate product decisions, to the bafflement of cryptographers around the world, to keep himself in that position.
If you literally have plaintext documents responsive to criminal inquiries in a jurisdiction you are subject to, we don't reach the "internet censorship wars". You're in a place not dissimilar to a 1970s telephone company; the "random people can't simply declare themselves above the law wars". Don't be in that place. Encrypt end-to-end.
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#4Is this an unintentional war by Europe on facebook, signal, etc? What will the outcome be? Will these services leave Europe? Will Europe change the rules ?
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#5Telegram’s End to End Encryption by default is disabled, only available for one-to-one conversation. My ‘guess’ is that most of group conversions are pretty accessible on telegram servers, which might be the case here.
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#6The speculation on this situation is crazy. People are losing their minds over the idea of Durov being arrested over crimes committed on his platform, but we don’t even know the details. For all we know he could have been completely complicit. Hold your horses people.
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#7Trying to understand his legal situation by analogizing with US law understanding strikes me as some real Dunning-Kruegering. Surely someone like Preston Byrne has someone he can reach out to to get a better understanding of the actual French legal situation Durov is in.
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#8He starts by saying that in the US, social media owners are not responsible for crimes committed by their users. How does that relate to the Kim DotCom case? Is piracy treated differently?
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#9Is this an unintentional war by Europe on facebook, signal, etc? What will the outcome be? Will these services leave Europe? Will Europe change the rules ?
It seems not yet. Signal is e2e encrypted data which telegram is not, Facebook has regularly collaborated with authorities, which apparently telegram did not. Every case is different.
I think TFA is ignoring the usual practice of prosecutors everywhere to stack accusations with a bunch of things which won't stick.
Nonetheless, France has been flirting with extended internet censorship for a while.
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