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> UK recently elected far-left parties What in the everliving fuck are you talking about?
Isn't Labour party far left?
Thoughts on the Durov Arrest
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If I open telegram and go to ‘find people nearby’ I am presented with a long list of drug dealers and prostitutes advertising their services. So they not only help with communication, they help with advertising, and since this is all public, they can’t really say they’re not aware
Those are just fake account scammers, you won't be able to buy sex or drugs from any of them. And they get banned all the time. Do you have a source or no?
This documentary on the drug trade in Belgium has a segment on the uberisation of drug dealing and shows the usage of telegram for that purpose: https://youtu.be/9-DwggVrt2c?t=2613&si=SBct_5WUZCoJmcgA
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#124The fundamental problem we have right know is that we know the charges, but not the factual allegations that underlie those charges. Put differently, if you wanted to put together a charge list for the head of a large social media company you didn't like, this is what it would look like. If you wanted to put together a charge list for someone actively running the group chat of a terrorist group... this is what it wou…
I just opened telegram, went to ‘find people nearby’ and was immediately presented with a long list of drug dealers and prostitutes advertising their services. I’m pretty sure that’s not legal
Now try to buy from them. They are just scammers who are nowhere near you. They will ask you to send codes from gift cards.
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> that there aren't really technical blockers to E2E encryption anymore There are several disadvantages, and Telegram would lose its key features: 1. Cloud Sync 2. Instant Multi-device login 3. The ability to create large group chats, like thousands or hundreds of thousands of people in a single place. 4. Sending files up to 4GB.
Yes and no. [1] Signal is working to support an encrypted "cloud backup feature" (some hints on this are on their code base), as per "sync" that's already done in the forward direction by Signal (by sending all new messages to all your devices) I'm sure you could provide some sort of backward sync as well. [3] Signal already supports groups up to 1000 people iirc, I'm sure a read-only channel larger than that could a…
> Signal already supports groups up to 1000 people iirc,
Which is where the practicality fails. This is why Telegram is the only app that works in large protests, unlike Signal.
Time and again, Telegram proves that the lack of E2EE actually becomes its strength, as proven by the protestors in Myanmar, Hong Kong, Iran and more countries: https://x.com/Pinboard/status/1474096410383421452
I'm not really against E2EE, but many of us fail to see how E2EE can hurt the usability of the app sometimes, and in cases where it is needed the most too.
Many Telegram groups have thousands of people, which is impossible to do on Signal at the moment. WhatsApp copied Telegram's features, large groups with topics and channels too!
> I'm not sure exactly what [2] refers too but nevertheless I have some doubts that would cause a blocker
1 and 2 are related. You can quickly login on Telegram and have your chats sync instantly, instead of waiting for manual backups or devices to sync. The devices run independently.
> But, I'd argue, is not impossible
I too don't think it's impossible. It's just computationally expensive and comes with limitations for now.
Durov does not want to use the Signal protocol either because he's been approached by the US agencies multiple times to include certain algorithms or libraries inside Telegram, not to mention that Signal itself is funded by the government.
Matrix could be better but it leaks tons of data, has been hacked multiple times in the past too.
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#126> What it means is that European states are going to try to extraterritorially dictate to foreign companies what content those companies can and cannot host on foreign-based webservers It looks like the author failed to grab that Durov asked for the French nationality and therefore is a French citizen who must comply to French law. > Telegram is not the only company in the world which has a social media platform used…
Telegram in the primary communication platform for the Russian forces in Ukraine. That may or may not be of interest to the French authorities, but the fact that it is also used by the Russian mercenaries taking control over former French colonies definitely is. A French citizen aiding Russian military and mercenaries in the French sphere of interest is asking for trouble. This is pure conjecture, btw.
FWIW I've been told it's sometimes also used by the Ukrainian diaspora to communicate with their families back in the war zone.
Tough whatsapp appears to be more popular for that.
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#127This analysis leaves out the fact that Pavel Durov is, with Telegram, in approximately the same position Ladar Levison was with Lavabit. Unlike Meredith Whitaker, Durov actually is in a position to furnish documents to the French government, where he has citizenship. He's in that position because he has repeatedly made deliberate product decisions, to the bafflement of cryptographers around the world, to keep himself…
It’s worse than that, the ‘find people nearby’ feature is a public drug and prostitution advertising billboard with zero moderation and has been for years. They’re in a closer position to silkroad than lavabit
I wish it was actual dealers and hookers, it's just spam bots.
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#128> Summing up: for the time being, if you run a social media company, or if you provide encrypted messaging services, which are accessible in France, and you’re based in the United States, get out of Europe. If you make a mockery of the law enforcement's requests made within the scope of the local laws then yes, you should get out. Especially if you show your middle finger to the country you visit and hold citizenship…
More importantly, this puts him (mostly) out of reach of moscow too.
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IMHO second answer does not hold water. If you will end up in situation where you are tortured they will torture you until you will you say how to add the backdoor.
I could be coerced into adding a back door in future versions of Tarsnap, yes. But I can't be coerced into adding a backdoor into past versions of Tarsnap, because I don't have a time machine.
We are presently in the futures past
That is to say, it's entirely possible that you were already tortured and the backdoor is already there by using the same logic - no time machine needed
Like already said unfortunately the only safety would be reading the code
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Those are just fake account scammers, you won't be able to buy sex or drugs from any of them. And they get banned all the time. Do you have a source or no?
This documentary on the drug trade in Belgium has a segment on the uberisation of drug dealing and shows the usage of telegram for that purpose: https://youtu.be/9-DwggVrt2c?t=2613&si=SBct_5WUZCoJmcgA
Yes media has been saying this about telegram since it exists. Yet somehow I doubt all 900 million users are dealers/users.
I was hoping for something more substantial, that showed telegram is used and other apps aren't, for that purpose.