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Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing

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Re: Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing

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Post by skrebbel »

zo1 wrote: post #103
skrebbel wrote: post #8

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If AWS gets a letter from an American 3-letter agency to plz turn over this and that data and don't tell anyone, they're going to comply, no matter what kind of paper "privacy shield" agreement the politicians negotiated this time around.

To be a bit facetious/snarky: And we compare this to the EU's version where they're outright open about it and censor-away? "We're not being bad, this is legal censorship!"

I'm not talking about censorship but about access to private data.

Re: Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing

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Post by another2another »

radiator wrote: post #367
pif wrote: post #358

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> The wastefulness of EU is the real reason people want their countries out of it. Unless such wastefulness is directed towards your own country! By the way, the only ones who actually voted to quit were those idiot Brexiteers who were not even aware of the EU funds invested in the UK.

You have a pretty big mouth, calling the majority of the United Kingdom voters idiots. But I am sure you know better than them what is good for them.

Well, Scotland voted to remain in the EU, but they've had to put up with the rest thinking they "know better than them what is good for them."

I'm sure they enjoy it as much as you do.

Re: Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing

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Post by another2another »

shiroiushi wrote: post #311
nosianu wrote: post #304

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Having lived and worked in the US for a decade, as a German, and having had time to think about many things: I think a key difference between how the US works and how Europe works lies in the private sector and the people. When you build a new company in the US, you have a lot of private infrastructure and people to be active in all of the states. In Europe, this does not exist in that form. Here, all the investors a…

Perhaps, but I wonder how much having so many different languages contributes to that. In the US, most people all speak English (though there's a growing Spanish-speaking population, but even here most younger ones probably end up being bilingual), so there's not that much to do for your company to do business in all 50 states, depending on just how much interaction with state governments you require. And state laws…

Lack of a common language must be a factor in scaling - the amount of effort printing required information in different languages is already an overhead (e..g instructions on medications).

Also in the US, somebody in California can give telephone support to somebody in Rhode Island; not so easy to get somebody in Sweden to give telephone support to somebody in Italy though.

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Post by deanishe »

username_my1 wrote: post #310
vjk800 wrote: post #271

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As others here have pointed out, Gaia-X successfully funnels money to EU cloud companies and maybe this is what it's supposed to do. The deal is: company agrees to write some bs on how it contributes to this project and they get the money. The point is to get local cloud tech sector to grow here in the EU and maybe it's too difficult politically or otherwise to just give money to the companies directly.

This also blows my mind, instead of adding more berucracy to apply for funding to review funding to give funding. just give tax credits based on innovation / investment criteria, to both companies and employees, Europe needs digitalization so badly, yet they find more complex ways to enable it.

> just give tax credits

On what? The EU doesn't levy any taxes and has no authority to.

The reason they're paying with grants is because that's what they've got.

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Post by bengale »

stefs wrote: post #383
bengale wrote: post #114

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I'll trust them with my cloud infra when they can keep the high protein yoghurt in stock consistently.

i try to stay away from the ready-made high protein stuff because just mixing regular stuff with protein power is much more cost effective.

I actually add more whey to it anyway. For some unfathomable reason I’d not considered just getting natural yogurt and adding twice as much whey.

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Post by t43562 »

shiroiushi wrote: post #389
t43562 wrote: post #312

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Glass half full. No civil war was needed to keep the EU together. It lost a member without any bloodshed. It's exactly the kind of imperfection we admire when we compare democracies to China - less effective than central control but more free.

Arguably, the US civil war wasn't strictly necessary. If it weren't for the slavery issue, I think it's would have been better for the northern states to just let the south secede. Even with the slavery issue, and if they had not bothered fighting a war to keep those states in the union, it's arguable that the south would have failed economically before long anyway, especially if the north had instituted sanctions. A…

It just turns out the USA as it is wasn't created out of free will. Say whatever you like but the EU was.

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Post by wuming2 »

gizmo wrote: post #315
wuming2 wrote: post #258

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In a finite resources world, with unsustainable levels of pollution and soon of climate change, I don’t understand why much more of EU regulation and enforcement resources are not spent towards mandatory hardware re-use. All computer vendors know 90% of IT users never even scratch the surface of computational power and functionalities. As for Gaia-X itself, governments are always on the hunt for programs to justify t…

> I don’t understand why much more of EU regulation and enforcement resources are not spent towards mandatory hardware re-use Beliefs like these are common in Europe and I absolutely despise them. Inefficiencies in IT exist for boring reasons like requirements that are way too complex or that keep changing, internal politics, and inexperience. If you add more regulations that don't move the needle you just get more p…

> Complexity is the enemy of progress.

You are confounding the environment we are part of and the so called “free market”. Also interests of titans of the industry, the “free market”, and general interest of the population. Mixups like these are common in developing countries.

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Post by nradov »

shiroiushi wrote: post #397
nradov wrote: post #394

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Yes, people's expectations around living space and privacy have inflated. What's your point? It's not as if Americans or Europeans are suddenly going to go back to tolerating having a bunch of kids in a cramped urban flat. And it was never "preferred". They mostly only ever did that in the first place due to religion and lack of birth control.

My point is that small living spaces aren't the reason Europeans aren't having kids. Middle-class Americans aren't having kids either, even though they live in suburbs with oversized houses that they're spending all their income on.

The number of children per family is absolutely higher in suburbs than in dense cities. So your point is at least partly wrong, although there are likely other causative factors as well.

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Post by maeil »

9dev wrote: post #219
ivan_gammel wrote: post #182

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> EU-US relationship suddenly turning very hostile The economies are too integrated for this scenario. There are big R&D centers of many American corporations in Europe, doing big part of their tech. They won’t move, instead in a very hypothetical “Russian” scenario they will change owner and continue to operate. I’m sure EU regions of AWS or GCP won’t cease to exist, for example. There are some services that are ope…

People used to say this about the energy infrastructure of Russia and Germany too, now see how that went. Or Chinese supply chains during Covid. Change comes rapidly sometimes. It just takes one lunatic president…

> People used to say this about the energy infrastructure of Russia and Germany too, now see how that went.

Those people were completely clueless. I don't have a better way to phrase it. Nordstream 2 was an insane idea the second it was announced.

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Post by _nalply »

croisillon wrote: post #277
_nalply wrote: post #157

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Nitpick: Luxemburg, Belgium (around Eupen), Italy (Tirol) and France (Alsace) are also German speaking countries. Historically, too: Poland, Czechia, Hungary and Romania, but German speaking communities have disappeared or are in massive decline. Disclaimer: this list of German speaking countries might be incomplete.

you forgot Ibiza ;) "countries with a german speaking majority" might be more correct

Ibiza doesn't count or all countries of the world would be English speaking.
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