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Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing

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Re: Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing

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Post by Aeolun »

majoe wrote: post #237
throwaway215234 wrote: post #120

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> Seriously DACH mentality and influence has been devastating on serious tech development in Europe German corporations (and politics) are full of bean counters, bureaucrats and underachievers. It's filled with people who love to talk, excessively plan, draw flowcharts and build frameworks - essentially everything except getting shit done.

From my experience this is true for big German corporations, but is it really different for big corporations from other countries? While I agree, that DACH mentality in big German corporations "has been devastating on serious tech development" at these companies, I don't see how this would affect the whole of Europe. It's an opportunity for other countries/companies to do better.

From my experience, this is true for big corporations anywhere. It seems that when a company reaches a certain size it becomes incapable of digging itself out of that hole.

Re: Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing

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Post by Aeolun »

digiou wrote: post #80
shortrounddev2 wrote: post #52

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But I mean what is that mentality

Extreme frugality and risk aversion, cash (and revenue) is the only KPI to success, digitalization = just make it a PDF and don't change the process thus any process is still equally slow.

Is this why so many German companies expand to Japan :?

Re: Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing

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Post by Aeolun »

monospaced wrote: post #37
AlexanderDhoore wrote: post #12

Being a European, I’d love to try this. Many businesses operate completely local. I think there is a market for a Europe-only cloud provider. How do I try this? Do they have a free tier?

You can sign up on their website: https://www.stackit.de/en/ While there are no free credits the services are priced pay per use to the minute with a much simpler pricing model than the large hyperscalers like AWS. See prices for EC2 here: https://www.stackit.de/en/pricing/cloud-services/iaas/stacki... You can find the docs here: https://docs.stackit.cloud/stackit/en/knowledge-base-8530170...

Their pricing page is funny. Can I have 2 RAMs please?

My physics teacher would get spitting mad at them for not specifying the unit.

Of course their billing is also 'hours'. Instead of 'hourly'.

Re: Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing

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Post by cuu508 »

vasco wrote: post #229
TheTxT wrote: post #201

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The US government can still get at that data, because Amazon is still an American company. It doesn’t matter where the data actually lives.

There's published proof the US government actively will go to the extent of having submarines go to undersea fiber cables to tap into them. They have private lockers in almost all the datacenters in the world, etc. Doesn't matter if it's an American company or not.

There are potholes and drunk drivers on road. It does not matter if you use seatbelt or not.

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Post by cyberpunk »

mns wrote: post #186
haukem wrote: post #162

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Deutsche Telekom hosted Microsoft Office 365 for some years in Germany as a German cloud offering. I think this was the press release: https://www.telekom.com/de/medien/medieninformationen/detail... This was a Microsoft 365 cloud hosted and operated by Deutsche Telekom in Germany. It was more expensive than the global version and had less features. It often took some years till new features were introduced. They stop…

Open Telekom Cloud is a whitelabeled AWS, so they are still doing this, but with other technologies.

I’ve used it, it’s a rebranded openstack, not aws.

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Post by a012 »

cyberpunk wrote: post #255
mns wrote: post #186

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Open Telekom Cloud is a whitelabeled AWS, so they are still doing this, but with other technologies.

I’ve used it, it’s a rebranded openstack, not aws.

They built it on OpenStack as a clone of AWS offerings

Re: Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing

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Post by weinzierl »

stavros wrote: post #105
albertgoeswoof wrote: post #47

I run a European cloud service, 80% of our customers are basically looking for a European alternative to the big clouds. The market is huge and in my opinion underserved. What makes it very exciting is that there not too much innovation required to compete

I use Hetzner cloud not because it's European, but because it's great.

It is cheap, good it is not.

You can complain about AWS and GCP support as much as you want, but given their sheer volume it is an accomplishment how rarely you actually need it. The situation when you need it is of course a different thing and I understand that satisfaction there greatly varies. Their support might be hit or miss, but at least their processes are streamlined and tried and tested enough to have you rarely need it.

With Hetzner on the other hand, if you use them seriously you will run into a situation where you need support sooner than later and my experience with that always has been abysmal.

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Post by wuming2 »

nextos wrote: post #222
arianvanp wrote: post #83

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They produced a few fluffy documents in 2022 and then nothing happened. They repurposed the word milestone to mean agenda. It's just a list of events they're organizing. Because they have no actual milestones or goals.

I've joined some large EU efforts in the past, and it's always like this. Lots of different parties involved focused on producing tons of absurd documents, and nothing else. Some have good intentions, but it doesn't matter. There's a great thread on X now discussing the same topic: "25 years ago each major US company had a German and/or French equivalent. Today equivalents of US tech giants are in China and Europe is…

In a finite resources world, with unsustainable levels of pollution and soon of climate change, I don’t understand why much more of EU regulation and enforcement resources are not spent towards mandatory hardware re-use. All computer vendors know 90% of IT users never even scratch the surface of computational power and functionalities.

As for Gaia-X itself, governments are always on the hunt for programs to justify their spending of tax and debt money. Favorable outcome is the spending itself as a mean to subsidize this and that group.

Re: Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing

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Post by cyberpunk »

a012 wrote: post #256
cyberpunk wrote: post #255

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I’ve used it, it’s a rebranded openstack, not aws.

They built it on OpenStack as a clone of AWS offerings

And it’s not actually too far off; couple rough edges, managed k8s is shit but everything mostly works (rds, ec2, s3, iam, ebs etc)

Re: Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing

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Post by manquer »

signatoremo wrote: post #244
manquer wrote: post #236

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Doesn’t feel like that looking at Airbus and Boeing .

Only if you ignore the A380 debacle, or the bloat that A400 is. And then there is this - [0] Boeing makes the comparison easy for Airbus. [0]- https://spacenews.com/airbus-takes-a-charge-of-nearly-1-bill...

OP is EU has become an open air museum and all the good companies are now either American or Chinese.

> Boeing makes the comparison easy for Airbus.

What else to compare against this claim ?

Airbus is by no means perfect of course, but it is still miles ahead of the best the Americans or the Chinese have to offer in a very complex large scale industry. It is not just aerospace, even auto is still über competitive, European manufactures are on par or perhaps better than anything Ford and GM have to offer. I am sure Europeans can come with good examples for every bad one.

The point it is easy to paint a narrative however reality is lot more complex and doesn't match with sweeping generalization .

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