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Is 'No tax on tips' a distraction from the fight to end sub-minimum wages?

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Re: Is 'No tax on tips' a distraction from the fight to end sub-minimum wages?

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Post by add-sub-mul-div »

oceanplexian wrote: post #148
websap wrote: post #47

We're moving to a world that most restaurants won't have servers taking your food and drinks order. This is already happening in Seattle, multiple spots are now counter style ordering, you order, get a number and someone just comes from the kitchen to deliver the food. Some of them also have a QR code associated with your number which you can scan to order follow up items. Tipping more than 10% for counter style orde…

> We're moving to a world that most restaurants won't have servers taking your food and drinks order. This is already happening in Seattle Seattle isn’t the world, it’s not even representative of the USA. Like California they have enacted regulations and policy which resulted in widespread crime and homelessness, the shuttering of small business, and population decline. The reason you have stuff like robots taking or…

You have a kernel of an idea that I agree with but 80% of your post is irrelevant culture war nonsense that can't be taken seriously and doesn't fit with your main point. If you picked some random Seattle person on the street I'm sure they'd agree with you that management underhires and keeps people overworked.

Re: Is 'No tax on tips' a distraction from the fight to end sub-minimum wages?

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Post by voxic11 »

atq2119 wrote: post #95
pembrook wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it means I don’t have to carry around a wad of bills in a gold money clip and hand them out like I’m John Gotti, then yes, Visa did give me exceptional service.

That's Visa's normal service. Considering that exceptional is silly.

So should I not be tipping for normal service? Its pretty confusing because in my country tipping seems to be the expected default, not something reserved to exceptional circumstances.

Re: Is 'No tax on tips' a distraction from the fight to end sub-minimum wages?

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Post by jgwil2 »

flerchin wrote: post #3

It needs to be clear if I'm shafting a sub-minimum wage worker, or declining an egregious tip-ask at the self-check counter.

You're never causing a sub-minimum wage worker to get less than the minimum wage, because their employers are required by law to make up the difference if they don't make minimum wage with their tips. You're only "shafting" them in the sense that they are expecting to do far better than minimum wage.

Re: Is 'No tax on tips' a distraction from the fight to end sub-minimum wages?

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Post by gibbitz »

oceanplexian wrote: post #148
websap wrote: post #47

We're moving to a world that most restaurants won't have servers taking your food and drinks order. This is already happening in Seattle, multiple spots are now counter style ordering, you order, get a number and someone just comes from the kitchen to deliver the food. Some of them also have a QR code associated with your number which you can scan to order follow up items. Tipping more than 10% for counter style orde…

> We're moving to a world that most restaurants won't have servers taking your food and drinks order. This is already happening in Seattle Seattle isn’t the world, it’s not even representative of the USA. Like California they have enacted regulations and policy which resulted in widespread crime and homelessness, the shuttering of small business, and population decline. The reason you have stuff like robots taking or…

I think shuttered businesses are fine. If they can't provide services that are worth the wage of employees they're just dragging the economy like a parasite. I think we're too quick to blame regulations for business failures. This kind of move for businesses feels like trying to cut losses not identify new revenue streams. This should have seemed inevitable when Starbucks opened on every streetcorner that they would eventually have to cut wages and resort to app ordering. The problem with this is it's lowering consumer expectations and new businesses have the infrastructure and financial need to follow their lead, leaving vulnerable service workers in the dust.

Re: Is 'No tax on tips' a distraction from the fight to end sub-minimum wages?

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Post by settsu »

nitwit005 wrote: post #146
next_xibalba wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you ever worked a job where you get tipped? I have. I was both a bartender and a server and my income was far better than both 1) the alternatives for which I was qualified, and 2) what my income would have been on flat, higher wage. If you haven't worked a job like that, it might be worth talking to people who do or have.

Yes, there will be some people who are tipped an unusually high amount who will lose out. But almost any significant policy or social change will have an impact like that. You have to basically give up on fixing anything if you're not willing to impact anyone.

Exactly: sorry that you might potentially lose a benefit that was gained only by an arguably broken system but them's the breaks, kid. Deal with it.

Re: Is 'No tax on tips' a distraction from the fight to end sub-minimum wages?

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Post by [deleted] »

tacticalturtle wrote: post #157
nerdjon wrote: post #130

I am honestly curious who was really pushing this? Unless I missed it I don't think I heard anything about no taxes on tips until both candidates suddenly supported it. So just seems like it came out of nowhere. If we really are going to stick with tips, I think it's fine. Maybe it will fix some of the issues on the workers side temporarily. But we honestly just need to move away from tipping in the US. Give everyone…

Trump heard a waitress in Las Vegas complain about tip taxes, so he proposed it: https://www.npr.org/2024/08/11/nx-s1-5071144/no-tax-on-tips-... > Trump has been campaigning on the "no tax on tips" policy since June, after a Las Vegas server told him the government was taking too big of a cut from her tipped wages. Then Harris was forced to match. That’s pretty much it. There’s no economic analysis behind it.

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Re: Is 'No tax on tips' a distraction from the fight to end sub-minimum wages?

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Post by gibbitz »

rangerelf wrote: post #64
maximinus_thrax wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, they don't. You're trying a false equivalency between a bribe and gratuity. A bribe happens before the service is provided and the service is contingent upon the bribe. Gratuity is post factum, technically based on the quality of the service provided.

"Tipping" absolutely is a kind of bribe. Let's take police officers in México, for México, for example. One needs to pay bribes to get anything done. On the other hand, they have almost zero job protection, have absolutely crappy salaries, most of the time have to buy their own uniforms, their own gas for the police cars, and so forth. And on top of that, they have to contribute to "upwards bribes", so they can keep…

Yet in the US we don't tip teachers.

Re: Is 'No tax on tips' a distraction from the fight to end sub-minimum wages?

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Post by gibbitz »

beaglesss wrote: post #57
maximinus_thrax wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, they don't. You're trying a false equivalency between a bribe and gratuity. A bribe happens before the service is provided and the service is contingent upon the bribe. Gratuity is post factum, technically based on the quality of the service provided.

Tip 0 and see what kind of service you get the next time. I used to work food delivery and naturally the customers ordering takeout at fancy restaurants would always tip 0 to the restaurant even if they tipped me for delivery. I quickly found myself ignored by all the workers at those restaurants, orders take an hour extra to fill, no one talk to me, etc. eventually I learned to tip out of my own tip because my next…

I live in an affluent area and my daughter works in food service. She says the people she knows to be wealthy are generally the worst tippers (often 0%). I have stuck with 15% even though that is below the suggestions on receipts these days and she tells me that's high for the restaurant's average.

Re: Is 'No tax on tips' a distraction from the fight to end sub-minimum wages?

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Post by maximinus_thrax »

jen20 wrote: post #122
maximinus_thrax wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, they don't. You're trying a false equivalency between a bribe and gratuity. A bribe happens before the service is provided and the service is contingent upon the bribe. Gratuity is post factum, technically based on the quality of the service provided.

> Gratuity is post factum, technically based on the quality of the service provided. Based on this, almost everyone using a Stripe/Toast/whatever terminal is accepting a bribe, not a tip.

Yes, that is correct.

Re: Is 'No tax on tips' a distraction from the fight to end sub-minimum wages?

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Post by arealaccount »

manuelmoreale wrote: post #140
next_xibalba wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you ever worked a job where you get tipped? I have. I was both a bartender and a server and my income was far better than both 1) the alternatives for which I was qualified, and 2) what my income would have been on flat, higher wage. If you haven't worked a job like that, it might be worth talking to people who do or have.

Potentially very stupid question: should I add a tip % on my invoices as a freelance developer?

You should also be tipping your landlord I hear
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