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Have humans fundamentally changed since 50 years ago? Was there something fundamentally wrong with women 50 years ago that we "fixed"?
societal roles and expectations have certainly changed.
Caltech, long a bastion of male students, enrolls first class of majority women
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Re: Caltech, long a bastion of male students, enrolls first class of majority women
#52This is a third rail of conversation, regarding gender equality and equity, so please hold your downvotes if you differ from my positions. Some might value the perspective, and I feel we all could learn something here. I can guarantee you that way more men applied to Caltech than women did. That means the most talented and impressive young man who applied and didn’t get in is objectively more talented and impressive…
I'm not gonna downvote, but I am gonna challenge this premise: "...the most talented and impressive young man who applied and didn’t get in is objectively more talented..." That's just not necessarily true. If me and a bunch of my bros try out for the Lakers, and LeBron and a bunch of his highly-skilled friends also try out, and LeBron and all his friends make the team, and none of me and my bros make the team, that doesn't mean me or my bros got screwed, or that the team is now full of under-qualified players, it just means that LeBron and his friends or A LOT better at basketball than me and my Average Joe friends.
Re: Caltech, long a bastion of male students, enrolls first class of majority women
#53This is a third rail of conversation, regarding gender equality and equity, so please hold your downvotes if you differ from my positions. Some might value the perspective, and I feel we all could learn something here. I can guarantee you that way more men applied to Caltech than women did. That means the most talented and impressive young man who applied and didn’t get in is objectively more talented and impressive…
This only makes sense if you assume you even can discretely bin a gaggle of high school applicants. Really its the same situation as anything else whether it be university or jobs or whatever other display of talent: the talent pool is both larger than the number of slots and it is also more or less equivocal.
Re: Caltech, long a bastion of male students, enrolls first class of majority women
#54This is a third rail of conversation, regarding gender equality and equity, so please hold your downvotes if you differ from my positions. Some might value the perspective, and I feel we all could learn something here. I can guarantee you that way more men applied to Caltech than women did. That means the most talented and impressive young man who applied and didn’t get in is objectively more talented and impressive…
Your argument starts from the standpoint of "obviously women are inferior to men, so for there to be more women admitted than men it must reason that the scales were tipped in women's favor and good men are being left behind"
You see how flawed that argument is, right?
Re: Caltech, long a bastion of male students, enrolls first class of majority women
#55Most colleges and university are majority women. The one I went to had 2 women for 1 man. This was unambiguously a mistake.
at least it makes dating easier for guys at schools like caltech now which is a non-trivial plus
It's nice for the guys to have it easy for a couple of years, but it's bad for all of us if an entire generation of women find it almost impossible to date because they want to date men with degrees and those don't exist in large enough numbers.
Re: Caltech, long a bastion of male students, enrolls first class of majority women
#56This is a third rail of conversation, regarding gender equality and equity, so please hold your downvotes if you differ from my positions. Some might value the perspective, and I feel we all could learn something here. I can guarantee you that way more men applied to Caltech than women did. That means the most talented and impressive young man who applied and didn’t get in is objectively more talented and impressive…
> a man on campus is more qualified to be there than a woman
I am not sure that "talented and impressive" is the metric by which we should be admitting students into higher education. On the contrary, I submit that we should be admitting the least impressive candidates who can matriculate in order to "train our weaknesses." Women's disenfranchisement has long been a hand tied behind our back, and it's high time that we free ourselves to be maximally productive.
Re: Caltech, long a bastion of male students, enrolls first class of majority women
#57Earlier quoted context omitted.
at least it makes dating easier for guys at schools like caltech now which is a non-trivial plus
Women don't go to university to enter your personal dating pool.
Actually, the parent didn't say their personal dating pool, did they? They spoke generically.
They also didn't say men would even ask anyone out, are you being sexist, and assuming men always ask, and women do not?
And unless 20 year olds have changed dramatically, everyone is looking for new dating pools.
Or are you suggesting women don't have a sex drive, and should be chaste?
Re: Caltech, long a bastion of male students, enrolls first class of majority women
#58Most colleges and university are majority women. The one I went to had 2 women for 1 man. This was unambiguously a mistake.
Why?
Re: Caltech, long a bastion of male students, enrolls first class of majority women
#59Earlier quoted context omitted.
>That means the most talented and impressive young man who applied and didn’t get in is objectively more talented and impressive than the least talented and impressive (though still extremely talented and impressive) woman who applied and got in. Prove it.
Unless the pool of female applicants was way more qualified than the male pool (i.e. by several standard deviations) this is true as a simple matter of statistics.
Then lets see your statistics
Re: Caltech, long a bastion of male students, enrolls first class of majority women
#60This is a third rail of conversation, regarding gender equality and equity, so please hold your downvotes if you differ from my positions. Some might value the perspective, and I feel we all could learn something here. I can guarantee you that way more men applied to Caltech than women did. That means the most talented and impressive young man who applied and didn’t get in is objectively more talented and impressive…
I don't think it's purely an optics thing. College is a community not just school. Do you want all your social groups, living area, etc. to be 75+% male as a college student?
WHAT. You're far off base. You go to school to learn a skill or trade.
Go to the bar, church or anywhere else to socialize if that's your goal.