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Caltech, long a bastion of male students, enrolls first class of majority women
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Re: Caltech, long a bastion of male students, enrolls first class of majority women
#32Earlier quoted context omitted.
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She wants to win, and winning in this scenario does not involve pandering to the more extreme elements of the party. You need to win to actually achieve anything. The reality is that the more extreme elements of her party are not actually that popular.
In other words she's not really powerful, because she's ultimately beholden to the electorate/political machine and has little leeway to affect change in anything she believes in.
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#33This is a third rail of conversation, regarding gender equality and equity, so please hold your downvotes if you differ from my positions. Some might value the perspective, and I feel we all could learn something here. I can guarantee you that way more men applied to Caltech than women did. That means the most talented and impressive young man who applied and didn’t get in is objectively more talented and impressive…
>That means the most talented and impressive young man who applied and didn’t get in is objectively more talented and impressive than the least talented and impressive (though still extremely talented and impressive) woman who applied and got in.
Prove it.
Re: Caltech, long a bastion of male students, enrolls first class of majority women
#34This is a third rail of conversation, regarding gender equality and equity, so please hold your downvotes if you differ from my positions. Some might value the perspective, and I feel we all could learn something here. I can guarantee you that way more men applied to Caltech than women did. That means the most talented and impressive young man who applied and didn’t get in is objectively more talented and impressive…
How does this premise: > I can guarantee you that way more men applied to Caltech than women did. lead to this conclusion: >That means the most talented and impressive young man who applied and didn’t get in is objectively more talented and impressive than the least talented and impressive (though still extremely talented and impressive) woman who applied and got in.
I think they're arguing from the statistical "spread" of capabilities in a group of women as compared to a group of men. Not sure if it's a valid conclusion but that's how I read it.
Re: Caltech, long a bastion of male students, enrolls first class of majority women
#35The overall gender imbalance in American higher education is now just as bad as when Title IX was first implemented, only in the opposite direction. What's interesting is this is deliberately excluded from many metrics of gender inequality, eg the UN defines inequality as "fewer women in college than men" so even 100% women and 0% men would be graded as "more equal" than 51% men and 49% women. Pretty Orwellian.
I'm sure you can produce a link to that Orwellian metric's definition somewhere, right?
Re: Caltech, long a bastion of male students, enrolls first class of majority women
#36This is a third rail of conversation, regarding gender equality and equity, so please hold your downvotes if you differ from my positions. Some might value the perspective, and I feel we all could learn something here. I can guarantee you that way more men applied to Caltech than women did. That means the most talented and impressive young man who applied and didn’t get in is objectively more talented and impressive…
How does this premise: > I can guarantee you that way more men applied to Caltech than women did. lead to this conclusion: >That means the most talented and impressive young man who applied and didn’t get in is objectively more talented and impressive than the least talented and impressive (though still extremely talented and impressive) woman who applied and got in.
Unless the pool of females applying was significantly more qualified than the males, it is almost certainly true. Just a matter of statistics.
Re: Caltech, long a bastion of male students, enrolls first class of majority women
#37Earlier quoted context omitted.
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And this is how we get trump as president. "Oh, Hillary is not a PERFECT candidate, I'm going to punish the Democratic party because of it and vote for Trump". Or, one of my favorites, "Those jerks, they totally passed on Berny! I'm going to vote for Trump!" Idiots that vote against their (and everyone else's) own interests just because they can't have THE PERFECT candidate is why things are such a mess right now. Al…
Not in US, but my reasoning in similar situation is following. If I keep voting for a party that is getting worse and worse for a long time, that will enable people at the top to keep doing the same.
Why would I vote against my interest looking long term? Why should I enable people I don’t like?
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#38I think The Last Psychatrist wrote, when women move in, it's a sign that power has moved on. [Edit] Found the quote: "when more women enter a field, it means less men did, and if the men stopped going there, where did they go? [...] I don't want to be cynical, but boy oh boy is it hard not to observe that at the very moment in our history when we have the most women in the Senate, Congress is perceived to be pathetic…
Do you reference that quote to imply that Caltech has somehow become diminished? What is the intent of your comment?
"The move comes just months after accountancy firm Ernst & Young, one of Britain’s biggest graduate recruiters, made a similar announcement, saying in August that it would no longer consider degree or A-level results when assessing potential employees."
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2016/jan/18/penguin-ditche...
Re: Caltech, long a bastion of male students, enrolls first class of majority women
#39Most colleges and university are majority women. The one I went to had 2 women for 1 man. This was unambiguously a mistake.
An even-ish ratio is probably a plus. I went to a very male-heavy school (as a guy) at the time which wasn't ideal. (Though, at the end of the day, it was fine.) But I'm not sure I'd have wanted the flip side either for a variety of reasons.
Re: Caltech, long a bastion of male students, enrolls first class of majority women
#40In case you didn't read the article, the class is 50.9% women.
So probably statistical noise.