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Mozilla removes telemetry service Adjust from mobile Firefox versions

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Re: Mozilla removes telemetry service Adjust from mobile Firefox versions

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Post by WD-42 »

mozempthrowaway wrote: post #7
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> possibility of the google money going away That Mozilla seems to actually give a shit about something for the first time in decades speaks volumes to how anticompetitive that deal was.

Without that deal, there wouldn’t be a Firefox. If/when it’s gone, there’s no one capable/willing to fund Mozilla to that amount. Really there’s only 1 other company who can throw that level of money at us and it’s Microsoft. Without Google bidding up the price, doubtful they would pay as much for Bing to be the default search and it’s not like Firefox users would welcome that change. Free software doesn’t work for l…

When you say “fund us” do you mean Mozilla or Firefox development? Because it seems like these haven’t been equivalent for a while now.

Re: Mozilla removes telemetry service Adjust from mobile Firefox versions

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Post by Volundr »

surgical_fire wrote: post #25
mozempthrowaway wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Without that deal, there wouldn’t be a Firefox. If/when it’s gone, there’s no one capable/willing to fund Mozilla to that amount. Really there’s only 1 other company who can throw that level of money at us and it’s Microsoft. Without Google bidding up the price, doubtful they would pay as much for Bing to be the default search and it’s not like Firefox users would welcome that change. Free software doesn’t work for l…

> Without that deal, there wouldn’t be a Firefox. If/when it’s gone, there’s no one capable/willing to fund Mozilla to that amount. There's some irony when I read that while my laptop is running Linux Mint, which in my perception is much superior in many ways to the competition. I agree that Free software needs sponsorship, especially when it is such a fundamental part of interacting with a computer (which a web brow…

> There's some irony when I read that while my laptop is running Linux Mint, which in my perception is much superior in many ways to the competition.

I think building a browser is quite a bit more complicated than building a Linux distro. More akin to building an OS to compete with the big 3.

Re: Mozilla removes telemetry service Adjust from mobile Firefox versions

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Post by seba_dos1 »

rvz wrote: post #16

So Firefox had spyware all this time in their iOS and Android apps? Not a surprise here despite them being 80% dependent on Google's money, they could not help introduce spyware in their browser and preach 'privacy-first'. They were never a 'privacy-first browser' after taking Google's money and refusing to remove their dependence from them.

Of course they were never a 'privacy-first browser', it was always clear for anyone who paid attention. They just looked around one day, noticed that every single competitor was atrocious at privacy when compared with Firefox and incorporated that into their marketing messaging and further development plans - which only happened fairly recently.

Re: Mozilla removes telemetry service Adjust from mobile Firefox versions

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Post by mozempthrowaway »

ensignavenger wrote: post #30
jlarocco wrote: post #19

It’s really disappointing that they even had this, and is a perfect example of Mozilla selling out users to Google, as if it weren’t obvious before. Really no reason to use Firefox over Chromium or Safari as far as I can see. I’ve had good luck with Orion on mobile.

I use Firefox primarily to support an independent rendering engine. I also like the extensions offered by Firefox more than any other browser. But I would love to see a better managed, user focused fork of it. Time will tell, but for now I am using Firefox until a better alternative comes along.

The rendering engine portion of the whole Firefox vs Chrome debate gets way more attention than it should. It’s really not that important. Someone could fork any piece of the chromium project and have an “independent rendering engine/browser” without all the problems gecko has from a decade of little market share and under investment. Google nor Mozilla make money from their rendering engines as is evidenced by their ability to make money on iOS.

Also, the rendering engine isn’t the way Google is being anticompetitive or violating users privacy, just like no one is really that worried that Google, Facebook, and MS are some of the largest contributors to the Linux kernel. People use a chromium based browser because chromium is better. Google gets people to use Chrome, and gets their data through the code they add on top. Overall though, Google has not been a bad steward of Blink.

Re: Mozilla removes telemetry service Adjust from mobile Firefox versions

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Post by ensignavenger »

mozempthrowaway wrote: post #34
ensignavenger wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I use Firefox primarily to support an independent rendering engine. I also like the extensions offered by Firefox more than any other browser. But I would love to see a better managed, user focused fork of it. Time will tell, but for now I am using Firefox until a better alternative comes along.

The rendering engine portion of the whole Firefox vs Chrome debate gets way more attention than it should. It’s really not that important. Someone could fork any piece of the chromium project and have an “independent rendering engine/browser” without all the problems gecko has from a decade of little market share and under investment. Google nor Mozilla make money from their rendering engines as is evidenced by their…

I respectfully disagree as I think the independant rendering engine doesn't get enough attention. But we all ahve our own priorities.

I also do not feel like Chromium/Blink is really superior. But again, different priorities.

Re: Mozilla removes telemetry service Adjust from mobile Firefox versions

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Post by Fire-Dragon-DoL »

ensignavenger wrote: post #35
mozempthrowaway wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The rendering engine portion of the whole Firefox vs Chrome debate gets way more attention than it should. It’s really not that important. Someone could fork any piece of the chromium project and have an “independent rendering engine/browser” without all the problems gecko has from a decade of little market share and under investment. Google nor Mozilla make money from their rendering engines as is evidenced by their…

I respectfully disagree as I think the independant rendering engine doesn't get enough attention. But we all ahve our own priorities. I also do not feel like Chromium/Blink is really superior. But again, different priorities.

Weirdly enough, Blink is the first time we have the equivalent of a shared "OS API", that's due to the browser becoming the main way to run apps (desktop at least) and that is supported by most consumer computing devices
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