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Mozilla removes telemetry service Adjust from mobile Firefox versions

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Re: Mozilla removes telemetry service Adjust from mobile Firefox versions

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Post by godzillabrennus »

mozempthrowaway wrote: post #7
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> possibility of the google money going away That Mozilla seems to actually give a shit about something for the first time in decades speaks volumes to how anticompetitive that deal was.

Without that deal, there wouldn’t be a Firefox. If/when it’s gone, there’s no one capable/willing to fund Mozilla to that amount. Really there’s only 1 other company who can throw that level of money at us and it’s Microsoft. Without Google bidding up the price, doubtful they would pay as much for Bing to be the default search and it’s not like Firefox users would welcome that change. Free software doesn’t work for l…

There is a good book on how non profits are terribly handicapped by the current system: https://www.amazon.com/Uncharitable-Restraints-Nonprofits-Un...

Re: Mozilla removes telemetry service Adjust from mobile Firefox versions

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Post by nickthegreek »

bluGill wrote: post #9
stavros wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm out of the loop here, can someone explain?

All of the funding for Firefox (or nearly all?) comes from Google. There is no way for you as a private person to donate money to firefox development. That of course means that Mozilla needs to keep its large donner happy lest the money go away.

On top of that, the recent google monopoly ruling means that most likely Google cannot continue to donate the massive chunk of change yearly to firefox that they have been. That could mean the death of firefox.

Re: Mozilla removes telemetry service Adjust from mobile Firefox versions

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Post by stavros »

nickthegreek wrote: post #13
bluGill wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All of the funding for Firefox (or nearly all?) comes from Google. There is no way for you as a private person to donate money to firefox development. That of course means that Mozilla needs to keep its large donner happy lest the money go away.

On top of that, the recent google monopoly ruling means that most likely Google cannot continue to donate the massive chunk of change yearly to firefox that they have been. That could mean the death of firefox.

Oh wow, how have I not heard of this? I assume Firefox can still strike some deal for revenue sharing of people who choose to use Google on Firefox, though? Or was the money purely for having Google be the default?

Re: Mozilla removes telemetry service Adjust from mobile Firefox versions

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Post by Vinnl »

debacle wrote: post #10

Every large non-profit in the tech/software space eventually becomes a non-profit that happens to do software, rather than a software organization incorporated as a non-profit. Wikimedia, Mozilla, Canonical, etc.

I don't think Canonical ever was a non-profit.

Re: Mozilla removes telemetry service Adjust from mobile Firefox versions

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Post by rvz »

So Firefox had spyware all this time in their iOS and Android apps? Not a surprise here despite them being 80% dependent on Google's money, they could not help introduce spyware in their browser and preach 'privacy-first'.

They were never a 'privacy-first browser' after taking Google's money and refusing to remove their dependence from them.

Re: Mozilla removes telemetry service Adjust from mobile Firefox versions

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Post by jlarocco »

mozempthrowaway wrote: post #7
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> possibility of the google money going away That Mozilla seems to actually give a shit about something for the first time in decades speaks volumes to how anticompetitive that deal was.

Without that deal, there wouldn’t be a Firefox. If/when it’s gone, there’s no one capable/willing to fund Mozilla to that amount. Really there’s only 1 other company who can throw that level of money at us and it’s Microsoft. Without Google bidding up the price, doubtful they would pay as much for Bing to be the default search and it’s not like Firefox users would welcome that change. Free software doesn’t work for l…

The problem with Mozzilla is that they don’t just fund development, they have control of it and they receive almost all funding from a direct competitor with a horrible privacy record.

I trust FSF, Debian, Linux Foundation, etc. not to violate my privacy. Clearly the same cannot be said for Mozilla.

Re: Mozilla removes telemetry service Adjust from mobile Firefox versions

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Post by Rattay »

mozempthrowaway wrote: post #7
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> possibility of the google money going away That Mozilla seems to actually give a shit about something for the first time in decades speaks volumes to how anticompetitive that deal was.

Without that deal, there wouldn’t be a Firefox. If/when it’s gone, there’s no one capable/willing to fund Mozilla to that amount. Really there’s only 1 other company who can throw that level of money at us and it’s Microsoft. Without Google bidding up the price, doubtful they would pay as much for Bing to be the default search and it’s not like Firefox users would welcome that change. Free software doesn’t work for l…

'clamoring' No, they're most certainly not.

And I'm more than willing to believe the legal difficulties of the foundation would be a nightmare, but would an EU sponsored fork of some kind be such a terrible idea? A move of headquarters to a suitable city and so on.

Remove the tracking, maybe even a few mandates to offer it up in certain settings that receive EU funding already.

An interesting idea even if sadly unlikely.

Re: Mozilla removes telemetry service Adjust from mobile Firefox versions

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Post by jlarocco »

It’s really disappointing that they even had this, and is a perfect example of Mozilla selling out users to Google, as if it weren’t obvious before.

Really no reason to use Firefox over Chromium or Safari as far as I can see.

I’ve had good luck with Orion on mobile.

Re: Mozilla removes telemetry service Adjust from mobile Firefox versions

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Post by nonbarx »

(2024) Question: Is it "true" that company's may use a link-shortener-service and within a link they send you, hiding their ruling that you have automatically accepted their tracking-"cookie-policy" (for example in agreeing their TOS before)?

Sry, non native english speaker... regards

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