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Telegram abides by EU laws, including the Digital Services Act

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Re: Telegram abides by EU laws, including the Digital Services Act

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Post by monsieurgaufre »

NetOpWibby wrote: post #81
ilrwbwrkhv wrote: post #69

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That's why Canada also is one of the worst countries in G8 and maybe the most mediocre countries when it comes to actual startup investment and building something new for the world and growing the share of the pie. On top of that, they have a horrible system where nobody can get a doctor. Everybody has to pay double to get a block of butter and housing is so high that you get a whole neighborhood in the US for that p…

American here. I was under the impression that Canadian healthcare was incredible. At least, that's what I've been told for years by randos online.

If you have a serious health problem, you will generally be seen "immediatly" and free of charge.

For the rest, mindset plays a role in the perceived doom in Canada. Conservative talking points only ever focus on the gloom.

Source: am canadian.

Re: Telegram abides by EU laws, including the Digital Services Act

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Post by immibis »

mc32 wrote: post #67
rasz wrote: post #61

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innovation like selling drugs and ordering hitmen? Which US social media platforms can be used to quickly, effortlessly and openly sell drugs? I know of one that tried, owner is in US prison right now.

Probably Mastodon.

Mastodon is a German (European) platform.

Re: Telegram abides by EU laws, including the Digital Services Act

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Post by adamtaylor_13 »

wkat4242 wrote: post #82
throwaway22032 wrote: post #60

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Old world aristrocratic mindset. It's not just the European Union, the UK is the same. There is a heavy bias towards what works for the incumbents. One of the ways in which this plays out in Britain is that almost everyone is culturally conditioned to consider themselves as being a certain "class" of person e.g. they'll never start a business, they'll never earn above a certain amount, they'll work 50 years for a com…

The US dream of "making it" is all about money. What we in Spain consider "making it" is to enjoy life, having time to relax, pursuing hobbies, spending time with family. And not having to worry about healthcare bills and pensions. We don't need a lot of money for that. I don't always want more. I just want enough. In the US the vast majority never "makes it" and they are far worse off than we are here. I think Europ…

I don’t understand where this overused rhetoric comes from. I enjoy my life, spend time with my family, have hobbies… and make money. These things aren’t mutually exclusive.

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Post by wffurr »

greenthrow wrote: post #29
jMyles wrote: post #21

At some point, the adults in the room (and specifically, a few brave and seasoned elder statesmen/women) need to stand up and state the obvious: On sufficiently long time scales, the internet will not tolerate states, and states will not be able to withstand the influence of the internet. The ability to copy and send bytes around the world, to capture and disseminate media in such a way that forces transparency, but…

You are delusional my dude. Servers and routers exist in meatspace. The meatspace laws win out.

The printing press also existed in meat space and yet it broke the power of the medieval Catholic Church and toppled monarchies.

The Internet seems like a similar invention but the effect on the nature of states is harder to fathom. I don't know if anyone living in the 1500s would have predicted a world where the top 10 militaries are all in a single alliance and the church would be a shadow of its former self.

I think there are interesting times to be had. Democracies certainly seem to be feeling the effects for good and ill of the collapse of traditional gatekeepers in the face of free distribution of information.

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Post by adamtaylor_13 »

thefz wrote: post #95
stainablesteel wrote: post #65

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the EU may as well go back to the stone age, it seems to be what they want

For many indices the US is a third world country.

Sounds like many indices aren’t useful metrics.

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Post by throwaway48540 »

ben_w wrote: post #106
throwaway48540 wrote: post #38

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They could put more people in prison.

That has no connection to who does or doesn't make messaging apps.

Of course it has. They had to wait until Durov went to EU, if it was an EU company they could pressure them immediately and continually.

Re: Telegram abides by EU laws, including the Digital Services Act

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Post by wkat4242 »

rsynnott wrote: post #108
peripitea wrote: post #85

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>In the US the vast majority never "makes it" and they are far worse off than we are here. Mississippi, the poorest state in America, has 33% higher GDP per capita than Spain does.

GDP per capita is not a useful measure of living standards. Or most other things, really; it’s a very crude metric. To take an over-simplistic example, imagine that the cost of healthcare in Mississippi just rose 5k per capita. Mississippi’s GDP just rose 5k per capita (simplified almost to the point of being nonsensical, but increased healthcare cost will raise gdp), but Mississippians got worse off! For a glaring e…

Nice example. I actually moved from Ireland to Spain a few years ago.

Indeed my wage went down but my standard of living went up. The exception being if I want to pay goods that cost the same everywhere (e.g. computers, cars). But it's not a big deal.

Also, my quality of life increased considerably. In Ireland public transport is horrible and almost nonexistent. A car is always necessary for those living outside of Dublin or Cork. Now I can do without a car and spend 20 euro monthly on all my travel needs, and not having the hassle and costs of a car. Driving is very stressful to me (especially in Ireland where until recently people could just buy their license at the post office so driver skills are very low).

And the weather is way better which affected me greatly in Ireland (during winter it was raining almost every day where I lived, and the days were super short leading to depression). Here in Spain life is much more outdoors. And healthcare here is free and much better (in Ireland even though I had expensive private insurance I still had to pay 70 euro just to see the family doctor. Here I pay nothing).

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Post by throwaway22032 »

adamtaylor_13 wrote: post #114
wkat4242 wrote: post #82

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The US dream of "making it" is all about money. What we in Spain consider "making it" is to enjoy life, having time to relax, pursuing hobbies, spending time with family. And not having to worry about healthcare bills and pensions. We don't need a lot of money for that. I don't always want more. I just want enough. In the US the vast majority never "makes it" and they are far worse off than we are here. I think Europ…

I don’t understand where this overused rhetoric comes from. I enjoy my life, spend time with my family, have hobbies… and make money. These things aren’t mutually exclusive.

Yeah, it's odd. I have more time to do those things the more I earn too. Earning more doesn't have to mean working more.
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