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Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing

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Re: Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing

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Post by haukem »

mkesper wrote: post #159
albertgoeswoof wrote: post #47

I run a European cloud service, 80% of our customers are basically looking for a European alternative to the big clouds. The market is huge and in my opinion underserved. What makes it very exciting is that there not too much innovation required to compete

Open Telekom Cloud has at least a great part of the functionality you expect when talking about a cloud provider: VMs (even GPU ones), VPCs, managed databases, block storage, Logging, IAM, API Gateway, Container Engine etc. https://www.open-telekom-cloud.com/

Open Telekom Cloud was at least in 2020 running fully on Huawei Software and hardware: https://www.open-telekom-cloud.com/de/blog/vorteile/die-sich...

Deutsche Telekom used Huaweis OpenStack implementation.

I haven't found any information that this changed, so I assume it is still running completely on Huawei. At least they made sure that they still get chips from the US despite sanctions. ;-)

Re: Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing

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Post by lifestyleguru »

mkesper wrote: post #159
albertgoeswoof wrote: post #47

I run a European cloud service, 80% of our customers are basically looking for a European alternative to the big clouds. The market is huge and in my opinion underserved. What makes it very exciting is that there not too much innovation required to compete

Open Telekom Cloud has at least a great part of the functionality you expect when talking about a cloud provider: VMs (even GPU ones), VPCs, managed databases, block storage, Logging, IAM, API Gateway, Container Engine etc. https://www.open-telekom-cloud.com/

I doubt anyone who was ever customer of their detail telecom services would free-willingly use any services from Telekom ever again.

Re: Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing

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Post by layer8 »

bjornsing wrote: post #82
foota wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The operator isn't under the other company, so if they say "we need this data" they can just say no. Now potentially they could try to trick the operator, but I'm not sure a company could be compelled to do so under US law. While there doesn't appear to be any relevant cases, this would fall under compelled speech ( https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compelled_speech ) and it seems like it would fall on the impermissibl…

But somehow the money still flows to Amazon Inc in the US? I don’t get it…

Amazon licenses the technology to the other company and finances their related infrastructure, in exchange for most of the profit they make from it, or something along those lines, I would guess. It’s a contractual agreement.

Re: Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing

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Post by lifestyleguru »

mathverse wrote: post #141
lifestyleguru wrote: post #139

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German shit is done in Poland, Romania, and Belarus, and for less than 50-60k EUR pa.

No longer true. 40-60k would be reasonable in those countries as well.

Yeah but don't count on more. Belarusians are quite desperate with current geopolitics, can easily push them below 40k.

Re: Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing

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Post by nosianu »

arianvanp wrote: post #22

Gaia-X is a disaster. The article misrepresents it. Gaia-X is not a framework for what a European cloud should look like. This would be useful. In beautiful EU bureaucratic style It's a framework for how to talk about how a European Cloud could look like. It's not about technical standards. It's about how we can talk about how we can think of maybe eventually deciding on how we can come up with standards that might o…

I used to work for a company that gets Gaia-X money. I will not mention concrete names, so you'll have to believe this anonymous source, me, choosing to remain vague to not be identified.

All we did for Gaia-X was the paperwork to get the money. It had zero impact on anything we actually did. Somebody I know who knew what other firms receiving Gaia-X funds did told me the others did even less than us. We certainly did not take it very seriously, apart from it being a great source of free money, and I say that as someone who reported quite a few developer hours for Gaia-X.

I think at most this project is about sending some money to some European firms, with little regard for actual outcomes, kind of as a concealed subsidy. I'm not sure if those who started the project actually wanted that outcome in the first place? A lot of these things are just ways to use the current system to achieve goals that the system does not directly allow. It could just be incompetence, but it could also be the case that somebody knows exactly what they created with Gaia-X and is perfectly okay with the outcome.

Re: Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing

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Post by snowpid »

bartekpacia wrote: post #147
snowpid wrote: post #106

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In Polish people don't use Cloud but Chmura?

It depends. If we’re talking about e.g. GCP we use “cloud”, but Chmura Krajowa is a Polish product and it has a Polish name, so we use “chmura”. We basically use the original name in this context.

Interesting. In Germany government uses the word cloud . Not Wolke. TIL something new.

Re: Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing

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Post by bengale »

GordonS wrote: post #158
bengale wrote: post #113

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What are the other 20% with you for? What is the benefit that your customers see in using an European cloud?

I'm guessing so they can keep data of EU customers stored within the EU.

You can do that with AWS regions though.

Re: Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing

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Post by fransje26 »

jeffrallen wrote: post #70
shortrounddev2 wrote: post #52

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But I mean what is that mentality

As a french speaking Swiss I'm pretty biased, but I'd say it comes down to salary thriftiness to the detriment of innovation, practicality to the detriment of flexibility, and perfection to the detriment of velocity. If you happen to want your supplier to be slow, extremely reliable, and you don't mind paying for the high profit margin they expect to be able to extract, you'll be a perfect customer of a DACH-mentalit…

> But don't write off DACH: there are plenty of companies in DACH that run circles around their competitors by blending typically DACH traits with agility.

For future career possibilities worth investigating, would you care to name a few good examples/companies you are aware of?

Re: Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing

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Post by fransje26 »

mathverse wrote: post #91
jeffrallen wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a french speaking Swiss I'm pretty biased, but I'd say it comes down to salary thriftiness to the detriment of innovation, practicality to the detriment of flexibility, and perfection to the detriment of velocity. If you happen to want your supplier to be slow, extremely reliable, and you don't mind paying for the high profit margin they expect to be able to extract, you'll be a perfect customer of a DACH-mentalit…

French speakers are a serious mystery to me. They are much better stewards when it comes to tech and cooperation but they are so much stuck up with their need to "speak french" that it hinders any progress. At least DACH made the progress of opening up. It would be ideal to combine DACH liberalism for language and french attitude towards tech and innovation.

> they are so much stuck up with their need to "speak french"

But.. ..why would you want to speak anything else? Who settles for the mediocre?

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