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Re: Arrest of Pavel Durov, Telegram CEO, charges of terrorism, fraud, child porn

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Post by fsflover »

NayamAmarshe wrote: post #266
mlyle wrote: post #202

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Yeah, I don't doubt that it can be improved. There was no discussion of whether it can be improved. I was just telling you that it meets the established understanding of the term "effectively plaintext," which you were seeming to disagree with. Have a good rest of your day.

> which you were seeming to disagree with. Yeah, I would still disagree because everything is effectively plaintext in the end. The only difference is how you derive the key. There are levels of encryption, that is true but I think calling an actual encryption as 'effectively plaintext' is wrong. > Have a good rest of your day. Thank you! You too :D

> The only difference is how you derive the key.

Telegram CEO has access to all keys and therefore all chats. Matrix foundation has no such access. These two examples should explain the difference between "effectively plaintext" and e2ee. The main difference is not how someone derives the key. It's who can do it.

Re: Arrest of Pavel Durov, Telegram CEO, charges of terrorism, fraud, child porn

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Post by themaninthedark »

MertsA wrote: post #553
throwaway48476 wrote: post #438

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There was a recent gang related case in Georgia where several defense lawyers were charged for being a little too involved.

Are you talking about Brian Steel? He was held in contempt because he refused to name his source that informed him of some misconduct by the judge (ex parte communication with a witness). That's hardly relevant here, the client wasn't involved at all as far as anyone knows. https://www.reddit.com/r/Lawyertalk/comments/1dd32ji/brian_s...

It was records and communication that the lawyer made on behalf of his client.

More interesting is why the judge and prosecutors have not been referred to the bar for their illegal actions.

Re: Arrest of Pavel Durov, Telegram CEO, charges of terrorism, fraud, child porn

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Post by alexey-salmin »

devman0 wrote: post #598
alexey-salmin wrote: post #577

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> One cannot legally run a hosted, unmoderated content platform in the developed world, one will always be required to remove illegal materials and turn over materials in cooperation with law enforcement. Should you remove e.g blasphemy which is illegal in many countries including some of what I assume you call "developed world"?

If you are a multi-national with a legal presence in that country you likely have the resources to engage local counsel in answering that question and to assist in understanding the legal risks of various business decisions.

I don't ask for legal advice, I ask you how do you imagine the "always remove illegal content, easy" part of your plan to work? There's no common definition of what is legal. E.g do you suggest removing content if it's illegal anywhere in the world?

Re: Arrest of Pavel Durov, Telegram CEO, charges of terrorism, fraud, child porn

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Post by thaumasiotes »

dawnerd wrote: post #580
akira2501 wrote: post #538

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If you deposit more than 10k the IRS simply gets automatically notified. No one calls you to ask where you got the money. The IRS actually expects you to report income earned from illegal activities, they _explicitly_ state this in Publication 17.

And even then you don’t have to tell them it’s illegal. Just what you earned. Frankly they don’t care where it came from as long as you report and pay.

No, you have to specify where it came from. You don't have to say what crime you committed, but you'd list the income under "income from illegal activities".

Re: Arrest of Pavel Durov, Telegram CEO, charges of terrorism, fraud, child porn

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Post by alex00 »

mazambazz wrote: post #29

This seems like the Kim Dotcom situation again. Why are these service providers being punished for what their users do? Specifically, these service providers? Because Google, Discord, Reddit, etc. all contain some amount of CSAM (and other illegal content), yet I don't see Pichai, Citron, or Huffman getting indicted for anything. Hell, then there's the actual infrastructure providers too. This seems like a slippery s…

Kim Dotcom is still harassed because he is very vocal against the US and what is happening in Ukraine. https://x.com/KimDotcom

The US narrative on Ukraine and Israel is getting weaker. Thorns like Kim Dotcom that has a big following, Telegram that is the only social platform to access the Russian side of the events, can break the US narrative.

It is ironic that the US screams Russia did a war crime in Bucha but Israel on Gaza is fine.

Re: Arrest of Pavel Durov, Telegram CEO, charges of terrorism, fraud, child porn

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Post by forinti »

mpeg wrote: post #49
pathless wrote: post #6

Telegram is genuinely the best general communication platform I have ever used, by far. I really hope he has a good lawyer and this doesn't end up getting essentially murdered for creating it. When you create something that is objectively great, everyone will use it - including bad actors.

I use telegram for some group chats, but I'm not sure why tech-savvy people would like it so much – messages are not end-to-end encrypted which makes it an inferior choice compared to even whatsapp

I prefer it because of the bot API.

Re: Arrest of Pavel Durov, Telegram CEO, charges of terrorism, fraud, child porn

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Post by [deleted] »

saintfrancis wrote: post #70
marcinzm wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because those providers cooperate with authorities and moderate their content to a fairly large degree?

How does Meta cooperate with the authorities? Isn't Whatsapp supposed to be end-to-end encrypted?

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Re: Arrest of Pavel Durov, Telegram CEO, charges of terrorism, fraud, child porn

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Post by nemo44x »

croes wrote: post #216
331c8c71 wrote: post #40

Whoa, it's absurd if true... I fail to see how being responsible for not cooperating with authorities can be turned into being accused of these crimes. And I don't care for the legal gymnastics which makes this possible - the law exists to serve the public interest and is of no inherent value.

Wasn't the Silk Road founder jailed for something similar? He provided the platform.

He was convicted of hiring a hit man to kill a business partner/competitor.
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