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Arrest of Pavel Durov, Telegram CEO, charges of terrorism, fraud, child porn

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Re: Arrest of Pavel Durov, Telegram CEO, charges of terrorism, fraud, child porn

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Post by Retr0id »

kevinventullo wrote: post #28
Retr0id wrote: post #9

I really hope this doesn't become an "encryption bad" cudgel. > The main accusation by EU authorities concerns Telegram’s encrypted messaging services, which were allegedly used to facilitate organised crime. One investigator stated that ‘Telegram has become the number one platform for organised crime over the years’, underlining the perceived link between the platform’s privacy features and criminal activities. It's…

I’m not sure I understand. Doesn’t the fact that the prosecutors had him arrested directly imply they perceive a link?

Accusing someone of facilitating crime is different to accusing someone of using cryptography to preserve privacy.

Re: Arrest of Pavel Durov, Telegram CEO, charges of terrorism, fraud, child porn

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Post by poisonborz »

mazambazz wrote: post #29

This seems like the Kim Dotcom situation again. Why are these service providers being punished for what their users do? Specifically, these service providers? Because Google, Discord, Reddit, etc. all contain some amount of CSAM (and other illegal content), yet I don't see Pichai, Citron, or Huffman getting indicted for anything. Hell, then there's the actual infrastructure providers too. This seems like a slippery s…

You really ask why? This isn't about serving justice - it's statuary example for anyone trying to run an unmoderated platform.

Re: Arrest of Pavel Durov, Telegram CEO, charges of terrorism, fraud, child porn

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Post by tail_exchange »

psychlops wrote: post #26
tail_exchange wrote: post #18

I'm genuinely curious to what would happen with Signal if the same bad actors moved to their platform. Would France also be arresting its creators for not properly moderating and giving backdoors?

They are certainly already on Signal, but Signal has end-to-end encryption so cannot supply information other than meta information to authorities.

This would imply that just E2EEing everything would give you a free pass not to moderate anything, which seems very naive. I doubt the judges would care about their self-imposed technological limitations.

Re: Arrest of Pavel Durov, Telegram CEO, charges of terrorism, fraud, child porn

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Post by stephc_int13 »

He very likely refused to play ball with NATO, and the software is working as intended, meaning no backdoors.

I think we should have and open and decentralized version of this kind of "criminal" communication system.

We should show them what Streisand effect really means.

Re: Arrest of Pavel Durov, Telegram CEO, charges of terrorism, fraud, child porn

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Post by Infinity315 »

mazambazz wrote: post #29

This seems like the Kim Dotcom situation again. Why are these service providers being punished for what their users do? Specifically, these service providers? Because Google, Discord, Reddit, etc. all contain some amount of CSAM (and other illegal content), yet I don't see Pichai, Citron, or Huffman getting indicted for anything. Hell, then there's the actual infrastructure providers too. This seems like a slippery s…

Because those services don't get shown reports of CSAM and then turn a blind eye to it and do nothing about it.

A person witnessing a crime by itself is not a crime. However, a person witnessing a crime and choosing not to report it is a crime.

Re: Arrest of Pavel Durov, Telegram CEO, charges of terrorism, fraud, child porn

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Post by mpeg »

pathless wrote: post #6

Telegram is genuinely the best general communication platform I have ever used, by far. I really hope he has a good lawyer and this doesn't end up getting essentially murdered for creating it. When you create something that is objectively great, everyone will use it - including bad actors.

I use telegram for some group chats, but I'm not sure why tech-savvy people would like it so much – messages are not end-to-end encrypted which makes it an inferior choice compared to even whatsapp

Re: Arrest of Pavel Durov, Telegram CEO, charges of terrorism, fraud, child porn

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Post by ericjmorey »

Retr0id wrote: post #9

I really hope this doesn't become an "encryption bad" cudgel. > The main accusation by EU authorities concerns Telegram’s encrypted messaging services, which were allegedly used to facilitate organised crime. One investigator stated that ‘Telegram has become the number one platform for organised crime over the years’, underlining the perceived link between the platform’s privacy features and criminal activities. It's…

Why would the concern not be the crime rather than the tool used in carrying out the crime?
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