Arrest of Pavel Durov, Telegram CEO, charges of terrorism, fraud, child porn

Post by [deleted] » Sun, Aug 25, 2024, 5:38 PM UTC

NayamAmarshe wrote: post #106

kelsey98765431 wrote: post #51

> jpost.com > • 5 hours ago > Pavel Durov, Telegram founder, arrested by France following warrant - The Jerusalem Post > The alleged offenses include: terrorism, narcotic supply, fraud, money laundering and receiving stolen goods. For those unaware, all channel on telegram are NOT ENCRYPTED. They are stored in plaintext on telegram servers. All chats that are not 'secret chat' mode (single device to single device) ar…

> They are stored in plaintext on telegram servers FYI, this is a totally misleading and false claim. Telegram uses the MTProto 2.0 Cloud algorithm for non-secret chats[1][2]. In fact, it uses a split-key encryption system and the servers are all stored in multiple jurisdictions. So even Telegram employees can't decrypt the chats, because you'd need to compromise all the servers at the same time. Telegram's algorithm…

Post by peoplefromibiza » Sun, Aug 25, 2024, 5:40 PM UTC

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peoplefromibiza wrote: post #399

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> operating in a manner where one of your selling points is that you’ll help anyone out even when their intent is to break the law is it what happened here? in my view Durov is the owner renting his apartment and not caring what people do inside it, which is not illegal, someone could go as fare as say that it is morally reprensible, but it's not illegal in any way. It would be different if Durov knew but did not rep…

> the owner renting his apartment and not caring what people do inside it, which is not illegal Problem is if you know what these people do inside it and you don't do anything about it.

Post by alephnerd » Sun, Aug 25, 2024, 5:42 PM UTC

peoplefromibiza wrote: post #447

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If you are a criminal lawyer who is providing defense, that is acceptable because everyone is entitled to to a fair trial and defense. If you are a criminal lawyer who is directly abetting in criminal behavior (eg. a Saul Goodman type) you absolutely will lose your Bar License and open yourself up to criminal penalties. If you are a criminal lawyer who is in a situation where your client wants you to abet their crimi…

> If you are a criminal lawyer who is directly abetting in criminal behavior Not a lawyer myself but I believe this is not a correct representation of the issue. A lawyer abetting in criminal behaviour is committing a crime, but the crime is not offering his services to criminals, which is completely legal. When offering their services to criminals law firm or individual lawyers in most cases are not required to repo…

Post by whimsicalism » Sun, Aug 25, 2024, 5:44 PM UTC

BoredPositron wrote: post #33

pathless wrote: post #6

Telegram is genuinely the best general communication platform I have ever used, by far. I really hope he has a good lawyer and this doesn't end up getting essentially murdered for creating it. When you create something that is objectively great, everyone will use it - including bad actors.

Video and Audio calls are hit and miss. The history and search are not reliable. The interface is not really suited for big group chats... I could go on and on.

Post by calgarymicro » Sun, Aug 25, 2024, 5:45 PM UTC

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> He refuses to implement backdoors as well. We have no way to know this, and (unlike Signal), Telegram doesn't give us best-effort assurances by doing things like open-sourcing its code.

> We have no way to know this Well, other than his arrest ;-)