Arrest of Pavel Durov, Telegram CEO, charges of terrorism, fraud, child porn

Post by dns_snek » Sun, Aug 25, 2024, 4:16 PM UTC

blackeyeblitzar wrote: post #142

dns_snek wrote: post #107

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It's incorrect to say that they weren't cooperating with authorities at all. In the EU, Telegram blocked access to certain channels that the EU deemed to be Russian disinformation, for example.

Really? That’s a really disappointing example of censorship. The state has no business judging the truth.

Post by lucasRW » Sun, Aug 25, 2024, 4:18 PM UTC

intunderflow wrote: post #78

France was the country of the Declaration of the Rights of Man and of the Citizen, and now you have an autocracy in a semi-democratic vest: - All protests in support of Palestine banned https://www.politico.eu/article/france-gerald-darmanin-aims-... - Head coverings banned - Run a messaging app but the French state finds stuff on it that it disapproves of? You are a Terrorist It's sad to see this backsliding in Europ…

Post by scotty79 » Sun, Aug 25, 2024, 4:18 PM UTC

thomassmith65 wrote: post #159

mazambazz wrote: post #29

This seems like the Kim Dotcom situation again. Why are these service providers being punished for what their users do? Specifically, these service providers? Because Google, Discord, Reddit, etc. all contain some amount of CSAM (and other illegal content), yet I don't see Pichai, Citron, or Huffman getting indicted for anything. Hell, then there's the actual infrastructure providers too. This seems like a slippery s…

Why are these service providers being punished for what their users do [...] maybe I'm just being naive? In this case, the comment does strike me as naive. Back in the 1990s the tech community convinced itself (myself included) that Napster had zero ethical responsibility for the mass piracy it enabled. In reality, law in a society is supposed to serve that society. The tech community talked itself into believing tha…

Post by lr4444lr » Sun, Aug 25, 2024, 4:18 PM UTC

mazambazz wrote: post #29

This seems like the Kim Dotcom situation again. Why are these service providers being punished for what their users do? Specifically, these service providers? Because Google, Discord, Reddit, etc. all contain some amount of CSAM (and other illegal content), yet I don't see Pichai, Citron, or Huffman getting indicted for anything. Hell, then there's the actual infrastructure providers too. This seems like a slippery s…

Post by NayamAmarshe » Sun, Aug 25, 2024, 4:19 PM UTC

jeroenhd wrote: post #140

NayamAmarshe wrote: post #106

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> They are stored in plaintext on telegram servers FYI, this is a totally misleading and false claim. Telegram uses the MTProto 2.0 Cloud algorithm for non-secret chats[1][2]. In fact, it uses a split-key encryption system and the servers are all stored in multiple jurisdictions. So even Telegram employees can't decrypt the chats, because you'd need to compromise all the servers at the same time. Telegram's algorithm…

> So even Telegram employees can't decrypt the chats I very much doubt that. If Durov wanted to, they could decrypt all of those messages. That fancy encryption system is worthless when someone can hijack the session of any of the users in a chosen group. This is a risk in many crypto messengers, but those usually come with optional key verification whereas Telegram doesn't have that outside of encrypted one-on-one c…