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Arrest of Pavel Durov, Telegram CEO, charges of terrorism, fraud, child porn

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Re: Arrest of Pavel Durov, Telegram CEO, charges of terrorism, fraud, child porn

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Watch his interview with Tucker Carlson and you’ll see. He doesn’t acquiesce to government requests for moderation control, censorship, and sharing private user data so they target him. He refuses to implement backdoors as well. In stark contrast to western social media companies.

> He refuses to implement backdoors as well. We have no way to know this, and (unlike Signal), Telegram doesn't give us best-effort assurances by doing things like open-sourcing its code.

What? Literally all Telegram clients are open source.

Re: Arrest of Pavel Durov, Telegram CEO, charges of terrorism, fraud, child porn

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It's interesting that he chose to fly to France knowing fully well that he will be arrested. It is also not surprising, because he has French citizenship and France does not extradite its citizens. Looks like a tactical move on his part when his legal team told him he ran out of options and he much preferred to spend time in a French prison than in a Federal prison in the US.

didn't france put out the arrest warrant right before he got there to trap him?

I haven't got access to the timelines, but I'd be surprised if his arrest wasn't negotiated with his lawyers. He had no reason to go there, but chose to do so.

Re: Arrest of Pavel Durov, Telegram CEO, charges of terrorism, fraud, child porn

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This seems like the Kim Dotcom situation again. Why are these service providers being punished for what their users do? Specifically, these service providers? Because Google, Discord, Reddit, etc. all contain some amount of CSAM (and other illegal content), yet I don't see Pichai, Citron, or Huffman getting indicted for anything. Hell, then there's the actual infrastructure providers too. This seems like a slippery s…

Because those providers cooperate with authorities and moderate their content to a fairly large degree?

Why don’t they arrest telecom CEOs for allowing terrorists to have uncensored phone calls with each other?

Re: Arrest of Pavel Durov, Telegram CEO, charges of terrorism, fraud, child porn

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One of those was @rtnews which is definitely state-sponsored propaganda and remains inaccessible to this day. They cooperated to some degree, but I'll go out on a limb to say that the authorities wanted Telegram to be fully subservient to western government interests.

Eliminating child pornography and organised crime is a societal rather than 'government' interest. And rightly.

think there is a societal interest in unsnoopable messaging.

there are other low-hanging fruit EU governments could do to address crime, NL has basically become a narcostate and they are just sitting by and watching - Telegram is not the problem.

Re: Arrest of Pavel Durov, Telegram CEO, charges of terrorism, fraud, child porn

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Even those who farm accounts know the simple answer to your question. You have to spend a little time being civil in other subreddits before you reveal the real you. Just takes a few weeks.

The comments I made were quite serious and civil. Not sure what you mean. They were autodeleted by a bot. I wasn't trolling or anything. I'm not particularly interested in spending a lot of time posting on reddit. But very occasionally I'll come across a thread I can contribute meaningfully to and want to comment. Even if allowed I'd probably just make a couple comments a year or something. But I guess the site isn't…

Sounds like you glossed over the phrase “in other subreddits”, which is the secret sauce. The point of my phrasing was not to suggest that you aim to be uncivil, but to highlight that the above works even for those who do aim to. So, surely, it should work for you, too.

Re: Arrest of Pavel Durov, Telegram CEO, charges of terrorism, fraud, child porn

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This seems like the Kim Dotcom situation again. Why are these service providers being punished for what their users do? Specifically, these service providers? Because Google, Discord, Reddit, etc. all contain some amount of CSAM (and other illegal content), yet I don't see Pichai, Citron, or Huffman getting indicted for anything. Hell, then there's the actual infrastructure providers too. This seems like a slippery s…

It seems there has been a misunderstanding; laws for service providers never exempted them from having to cooperate and provide data available to them when ordered.

Re: Arrest of Pavel Durov, Telegram CEO, charges of terrorism, fraud, child porn

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Whoa, it's absurd if true... I fail to see how being responsible for not cooperating with authorities can be turned into being accused of these crimes. And I don't care for the legal gymnastics which makes this possible - the law exists to serve the public interest and is of no inherent value.

By knowingly facilitating criminal activities, you become complicit.

The Silk Road was designed and marketed explicitly towards criminals to facilitate crime and AFAIK had practically no other uses. So, it's not a reasonable comparison.

Re: Arrest of Pavel Durov, Telegram CEO, charges of terrorism, fraud, child porn

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post #337

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> He refuses to implement backdoors as well. We have no way to know this, and (unlike Signal), Telegram doesn't give us best-effort assurances by doing things like open-sourcing its code.

Open source is irrelevant as the protocol is plain text.

Wait... you're saying if the protocol is binary, that's different somehow?

Either way, you're saying the MTProto is binary? How do you mean that?

Re: Arrest of Pavel Durov, Telegram CEO, charges of terrorism, fraud, child porn

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Why did he enter a country with an arrest warrant on his name? I don't understand it

Is that information even possible to know? I believe in the US arrest warrants are generally sealed before an arrest is made.

Re: Arrest of Pavel Durov, Telegram CEO, charges of terrorism, fraud, child porn

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Because those providers cooperate with authorities and moderate their content to a fairly large degree?

Why don’t they arrest telecom CEOs for allowing terrorists to have uncensored phone calls with each other?

You do realize the police wiretap and get metadata from phone companies all the time, right? Not event counting Five Eyes stuff.
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