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Do you have any reference for this?
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Even greater democracies prefer 'thermorectal cryptoanalysys'
Arrest of Pavel Durov, Telegram CEO, charges of terrorism, fraud, child porn
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Re: Arrest of Pavel Durov, Telegram CEO, charges of terrorism, fraud, child porn
#182Earlier quoted context omitted.
Really? That’s a really disappointing example of censorship. The state has no business judging the truth.
One of those was @rtnews which is definitely state-sponsored propaganda and remains inaccessible to this day. They cooperated to some degree, but I'll go out on a limb to say that the authorities wanted Telegram to be fully subservient to western government interests.
So what if it is state sponsored propaganda? Most media is biased in some way. It shouldn’t be censored. I want to hear their side of the story too.
Re: Arrest of Pavel Durov, Telegram CEO, charges of terrorism, fraud, child porn
#183France was the country of the Declaration of the Rights of Man and of the Citizen, and now you have an autocracy in a semi-democratic vest: - All protests in support of Palestine banned https://www.politico.eu/article/france-gerald-darmanin-aims-... - Head coverings banned - Run a messaging app but the French state finds stuff on it that it disapproves of? You are a Terrorist It's sad to see this backsliding in Europ…
The ban against protests was stated by the courts to have to be done case by case.
The headscarf ban is part of all religious symbols in public areas like schools and hospitals.
Re: Arrest of Pavel Durov, Telegram CEO, charges of terrorism, fraud, child porn
#184good on France.
more billionaire CEOs should be arrested.
Re: Arrest of Pavel Durov, Telegram CEO, charges of terrorism, fraud, child porn
#185> jpost.com > • 5 hours ago > Pavel Durov, Telegram founder, arrested by France following warrant - The Jerusalem Post > The alleged offenses include: terrorism, narcotic supply, fraud, money laundering and receiving stolen goods. For those unaware, all channel on telegram are NOT ENCRYPTED. They are stored in plaintext on telegram servers. All chats that are not 'secret chat' mode (single device to single device) ar…
> They are stored in plaintext on telegram servers FYI, this is a totally misleading and false claim. Telegram uses the MTProto 2.0 Cloud algorithm for non-secret chats[1][2]. In fact, it uses a split-key encryption system and the servers are all stored in multiple jurisdictions. So even Telegram employees can't decrypt the chats, because you'd need to compromise all the servers at the same time. Telegram's algorithm…
Unless I’m missing something, your mproto link only covers transport level encryption not storage.
It doesn’t include E2E encryption in the scheme only client to server.
Whether the server stores it as plaintext or not, is moot to the point of having telegram itself be able to see the chats because they hold the encryption keys of the server and therefore can be made to comply with legal requests.
The person you replied to may be incorrect on the aspect of plain text but imho they’re right that it’s not really relevant in this context.
Encrypted storage would be relevant for the case where a server is compromised by a hacker.
Re: Arrest of Pavel Durov, Telegram CEO, charges of terrorism, fraud, child porn
#186Earlier quoted context omitted.
> They are stored in plaintext on telegram servers FYI, this is a totally misleading and false claim. Telegram uses the MTProto 2.0 Cloud algorithm for non-secret chats[1][2]. In fact, it uses a split-key encryption system and the servers are all stored in multiple jurisdictions. So even Telegram employees can't decrypt the chats, because you'd need to compromise all the servers at the same time. Telegram's algorithm…
> Compared to other apps like WhatsApp with claims of E2EE and no body of verification and validation. We do have at least some empirical evidence that WhatsApp is properly encrypted. WhatsApp's cryptography has made judges in my country foam at the mouth with rage so hard they ordered retaliatory nation wide blocks of the service at least twice. People are right to distrust Meta but I for one am glad that everyone I…
basing your assurance that whatsapp is secure because meta didn't care about a Brazilian judge misconstrued wiretap request is wild.
Re: Arrest of Pavel Durov, Telegram CEO, charges of terrorism, fraud, child porn
#187Earlier quoted context omitted.
Dotcom got extradited (which was declared legal much later). Durov landed in a country that had an arrest warrant out for him. I hope his situation isn't similar to Dotcom's, as Dotcom was shown to be complicit in the crimes he was being persecuted for. Convicting the megaupload people would've been a LOT harder if they hadn't been uploading and curating illegal content on their platform themselves. As a service prov…
From my understanding the arrest warrant only was created while he was en route; sneaky sneaky..
That’s really dark and dystopian
Re: Arrest of Pavel Durov, Telegram CEO, charges of terrorism, fraud, child porn
#188This seems like the Kim Dotcom situation again. Why are these service providers being punished for what their users do? Specifically, these service providers? Because Google, Discord, Reddit, etc. all contain some amount of CSAM (and other illegal content), yet I don't see Pichai, Citron, or Huffman getting indicted for anything. Hell, then there's the actual infrastructure providers too. This seems like a slippery s…
Dotcom got extradited (which was declared legal much later). Durov landed in a country that had an arrest warrant out for him. I hope his situation isn't similar to Dotcom's, as Dotcom was shown to be complicit in the crimes he was being persecuted for. Convicting the megaupload people would've been a LOT harder if they hadn't been uploading and curating illegal content on their platform themselves. As a service prov…
> Durov landed in a country that had an arrest warrant out for him.
And of which he’s a citizen, fwiw
Re: Arrest of Pavel Durov, Telegram CEO, charges of terrorism, fraud, child porn
#189Earlier quoted context omitted.
Because those providers cooperate with authorities and moderate their content to a fairly large degree?
How does Meta cooperate with the authorities? Isn't Whatsapp supposed to be end-to-end encrypted?
> Isn't Whatsapp supposed to be end-to-end encrypted?
It is supposedly end-to-end encrypted. And in a shallow way. Also the app is closed source and you can't develop your own.
It's basically end-to-end-trust-me-bro-level encrypted.
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#190I'm genuinely curious to what would happen with Signal if the same bad actors moved to their platform. Would France also be arresting its creators for not properly moderating and giving backdoors?
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