Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

BMW Overtakes Tesla in European EV Sales for First Time

electriccarsreport.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

311–320 of 341 posts

Re: BMW Overtakes Tesla in European EV Sales for First Time

#311

Post by giobox »

makeitdouble wrote: post #258
giobox wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These statistics include plug-in hybrid gas cars (PHEV), of which BYD sell a lot, and Tesla do not make at all. > "The company’s (BYD) success is driven by a dual strategy of producing both fully electric vehicles (BEVs) and plug-in hybrid electric vehicles (PHEVs)..."

Is the EV/PHEV separation meaningful when comparing to other makers ? PHEV are mainly used on their electric capacity, on daily short trips.

It matters enormously if you want to meaningfully compare EV production between two manufacturers, yes.

BEVs and PHEVs are not the same thing, and the size of batteries used in each is radically different.

BYD have a company policy of conflating their EV/PHEV numbers (their own made up term “new energy vehicles”) as it makes their “EV” numbers look great in misleading statistics like the one you linked.

Most people are not going to compare gas car production counts to Tesla, given the entire reason Tesla exists is to not produce gas cars. BYD still make gas cars - all PHEVs have a gas engine.

Re: BMW Overtakes Tesla in European EV Sales for First Time

#312

Post by slg »

marky1991 wrote: post #264
slg wrote: post #256

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're overcomplicating it. As I said, "You don't have to turn this into some ideological battle." Someone asked the tiniest favor of you, simply refer to them how they want to be referred, and you said no. That goes beyond any ideology.

But isn't the whole thing asking someone to accept/endorse a different worldview? Is that really a tiny favor?

Calling the man "Muhammad Ali" didn't mean you had to convert to the Nation of Islam. Just call someone what they want to be called. You can do that without any endorsement of the reason behind their request. A "different worldview" doesn't give you permission to be an asshole.

Re: BMW Overtakes Tesla in European EV Sales for First Time

#313

Post by slg »

mensetmanusman wrote: post #309
slg wrote: post #257

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I personally don't have a problem with any site having a rule of "don't be an asshole on our platform." It's the first rule of this site, for example.

That’s different than being fired if you use standard English parlance.

Ok, I personally don't have a problem with any employer having a rule of "don't be an asshole."

Re: BMW Overtakes Tesla in European EV Sales for First Time

#314

Post by arcbyte »

foobazgt wrote: post #193
arcbyte wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hear people say this bit then I see those same people go and buy Teslas anyway. The real reason Tesla is suffering is because they've not delivered on innovation, quality, or price in a long time.

This seems in direct contrast to reality. The long-range RWD model 3 (360mi of range) is available for $35K (after federal tax credit). That's more bang-for-the-buck than I've seen for any car in my lifetime. I'm not aware of any class competitor that's even mildly close.

A $42k brand new car is only accessible by the upper middle class. We need a Ford fiesta equivalent model.

Re: BMW Overtakes Tesla in European EV Sales for First Time

#315

Post by mensetmanusman »

slg wrote: post #313
mensetmanusman wrote: post #309

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s different than being fired if you use standard English parlance.

Ok, I personally don't have a problem with any employer having a rule of "don't be an asshole."

Holding the door open for someone is considered being an asshole to some minority.

Re: BMW Overtakes Tesla in European EV Sales for First Time

#316

Post by petre »

mahkeiro wrote: post #279
petre wrote: post #266

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Companies do this all the time though. The trade off is, of course, that you get more support from customers the other side. I'm not quite sure that Trump's publuc would rush over to buy Teslas.

Tesla is not only selling car in US, but Musk behavior is turning off people globally (especially in Europe)

Not because of Musk, but maybe because it particularily doesn't work for them?

Re: BMW Overtakes Tesla in European EV Sales for First Time

#317

Post by cheikhcheikh »

cscurmudgeon wrote: post #310
peutetre wrote: post #251

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trump says he's for electric cars because "I have to be, you know, because Elon endorsed me very strongly, Elon. So I have no choice": https://www.thestreet.com/electric-vehicles/elon-musks-endor... What Trump is really saying is that he's for sale. Trump also told the oil industry he's for sale. He said they should give him $1 billion and that would be a "deal" because he would help them avoid taxation and regulatio…

> Joe Biden Rewards Donors With Admin Positions in Broken Promise to Voters https://www.newsweek.com/joe-biden-rewards-donors-admin-posi... https://www.barrons.com/articles/trump-harris-election-campa... I feel that what Trump says out loud publicly others say behind the cameras away from mics with a wink and a nudge. https://www.cnbc.com/2024/07/26/two-billionaire-harris-donor...

You asked for a source and were given one, then went on to talk about joe Biden for some reason, may I ask why?

Re: BMW Overtakes Tesla in European EV Sales for First Time

#319

Post by rsynnott »

orwin wrote: post #285
two_handfuls wrote: post #22

The Tesla brand has suffered enormously due to the actions of its owner.

Honestly, I dislike Musk since the 'submarine to save kids' story, but in Europe, at least outside big cities, Tesla owners aren't associated with Musk, so his politics or likeability aren't a factor on purchase choices. Musk himself wasn't really a factor for 95% of people before anyway, I think only americanized Europeans cared about him. I just think Tesla can't find footing in the real low-end EV market because o…

> I think only americanized Europeans cared about him.

I mean, it depends where you live, but Naughty Old Mr Car has stuck his oar in on, at least, Irish, British and French politics, and has also said many extremely stupid things about Ukraine. He’s getting harder to ignore in Europe.

Re: BMW Overtakes Tesla in European EV Sales for First Time

#320

Post by rsynnott »

electronbeam wrote: post #2

Maybe I’m in a bubble, but I didn’t even notice BMW had EVs

Are you in America? I think their market penetration there is still extremely low.

Most of BMW’s electric cars (with the exception of the notably weird-looking i3) are also pretty subtle; you wouldn’t really know they were electric unless you looked closely. In particular, they’ve kept some approximation of their trademark grille.

Post reply on HN