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Inside the "3 billion people" national public data breach

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Re: Inside the "3 billion people" national public data breach

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Post by Tanoc »

conductr wrote: post #71
toomuchtodo wrote: post #51

Ahh, cool, pour the corpus through GPTs and start tweeting Congressional rep personal info at them until they pass a law to outlaw data brokers (in keeping with historical precedent [1] [2]). [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_Privacy_Protection_Act [2] https://jolt.law.harvard.edu/digest/dodging-the-thought-poli...

For argument sake, instead of outlawing data brokers wouldn’t it be better to design a better ID system that renders one’s name, dob, and SSN as harmless information? I don’t know what that would look like but if I had congresses attention I’d like them to fix the problem rather than playing whack-a-mole with banning data sources. I don’t think any actual solutions come from that.

The uneven availability of information means that no, it's not better to just design a better ID system. Data brokers give corporations far more advantages than a normal person could ever protect themselves against, because even if the data broke doesn't have your government issued credentials they can still easily designate who you are buy collating all the data from other means such as purchasing habits, cellular, and service guest lists.

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Post by nobody9999 »

nine_k wrote: post #141
Workaccount2 wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US has three dumb points pushing back on this. The first is religious nuts who think it would be a "mark of the beast" The second is anti-government types who are, well, anti-government anything. The third is many business owners, because it would become much harder/risky to hire illegal immigrants to work.

Correct. But not insurmountable. Make the ID card optional, so that it simplifies things if you have it, but still allows operation without it. If 80% of law-abiding population has the card, only the stubborn deniers will remain targets of easy identity theft and fraud based on it. Partly it will stop being worth the effort, partly it will serve as a good control group. Allow but do not require to use the card for em…

>Make the ID card optional, so that it simplifies things if you have it, but still allows operation without it. If 80% of law-abiding population has the card, only the stubborn deniers will remain targets of easy identity theft and fraud based on it. Partly it will stop being worth the effort, partly it will serve as a good control group.

Kind of like RealID[0]? It exists right now in the US.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_ID_Act

Re: Inside the "3 billion people" national public data breach

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Post by calculatte »

Workaccount2 wrote: post #109
ljm wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In many countries in Europe, your ID card contains a chip with a cryptographic key, much like chip&pin on a debit or credit card. Those bits of information are worthless when you need to create a cryptographic signature with your ID card to do almost anything important. If the card is lost or stolen they can just remove your old one from the keyserver. It's literally just public key crypto. Identity theft is rampant…

The US has three dumb points pushing back on this. The first is religious nuts who think it would be a "mark of the beast" The second is anti-government types who are, well, anti-government anything. The third is many business owners, because it would become much harder/risky to hire illegal immigrants to work.

You're forgetting the entire political left, who claim only whites are intelligent enough to get IDs.

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Post by [deleted] »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #51

Ahh, cool, pour the corpus through GPTs and start tweeting Congressional rep personal info at them until they pass a law to outlaw data brokers (in keeping with historical precedent [1] [2]). [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_Privacy_Protection_Act [2] https://jolt.law.harvard.edu/digest/dodging-the-thought-poli...

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Re: Inside the "3 billion people" national public data breach

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Post by DiogenesKynikos »

willmadden wrote: post #232
Workaccount2 wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US has three dumb points pushing back on this. The first is religious nuts who think it would be a "mark of the beast" The second is anti-government types who are, well, anti-government anything. The third is many business owners, because it would become much harder/risky to hire illegal immigrants to work.

Governments murdered hundreds of millions of their own people during the 20th century, and the 21st is shaping up to tell the 20th to hold its beer. Any proposal for modern ID needs to have Constitutional protections, checks, and balances or it will eventually devolve into a digital police state.

A lack of national ID cards would not have hindered the Nazis in carrying out mass murder one bit.

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Post by dang »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #51

Ahh, cool, pour the corpus through GPTs and start tweeting Congressional rep personal info at them until they pass a law to outlaw data brokers (in keeping with historical precedent [1] [2]). [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_Privacy_Protection_Act [2] https://jolt.law.harvard.edu/digest/dodging-the-thought-poli...

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41249125.

Re: Inside the "3 billion people" national public data breach

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Post by DiogenesKynikos »

wsc981 wrote: post #238
pasc1878 wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not really in Britain. Labour tried to introduce some national id in early 2000s, the right wingers were the ones who objected the most. The same right wingers who are most anti-immigration

I think most of those right wingers are against illegal immigration. There's a big distinction here. I think very few of those so-called right-wingers are -say- against doctors immigrating to one's country if there's a doctor shortage. As long as immigration is all done using legal means. And with proper checks and balances. I'm a right winger (but not born and raised in the UK). And I am very much against illegal im…

There were just a series of mass race riots by right-wingers across the UK, in which they went around smashing up shops owned by immigrants and beating up people who don't look white. This isn't about illegal immigration. It's about racism.
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