For years I've said the entire SSN database just needs to be published alongside legislation strictly assigning liability to any company who defrauded as a result of using the SSN as a "secret". That would fix the problem with SSN's and "identity theft" quickly. Part 1 has been accomplished. Let's get part 2 going! Aside: It amazes me how the American public has allowed defrauded companies to assign the company's los…
Inside the "3 billion people" national public data breach
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#102For years I've said the entire SSN database just needs to be published alongside legislation strictly assigning liability to any company who defrauded as a result of using the SSN as a "secret". That would fix the problem with SSN's and "identity theft" quickly. Part 1 has been accomplished. Let's get part 2 going! Aside: It amazes me how the American public has allowed defrauded companies to assign the company's los…
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#103Earlier quoted context omitted.
For argument sake, instead of outlawing data brokers wouldn’t it be better to design a better ID system that renders one’s name, dob, and SSN as harmless information? I don’t know what that would look like but if I had congresses attention I’d like them to fix the problem rather than playing whack-a-mole with banning data sources. I don’t think any actual solutions come from that.
In many countries in Europe, your ID card contains a chip with a cryptographic key, much like chip&pin on a debit or credit card. Those bits of information are worthless when you need to create a cryptographic signature with your ID card to do almost anything important. If the card is lost or stolen they can just remove your old one from the keyserver. It's literally just public key crypto. Identity theft is rampant…
> Identity theft is rampant in the countries that don't have such a system
No, fraud is rampant in the countries that don't have such a system. Calling it identity theft makes it sound like the onus on preventing the practice is on "whoever's identify was stolen", instead of correcting pinning the onus on the bodies issuing accounts and loans without verifying information or identity.Re: Inside the "3 billion people" national public data breach
#104Earlier quoted context omitted.
In many countries in Europe, your ID card contains a chip with a cryptographic key, much like chip&pin on a debit or credit card. Those bits of information are worthless when you need to create a cryptographic signature with your ID card to do almost anything important. If the card is lost or stolen they can just remove your old one from the keyserver. It's literally just public key crypto. Identity theft is rampant…
> all because British people think an ID card means you'll get stopped on the street to show your papers. That's probably because all of the anti-immigration and anti-foreigner people who are asking the government to stop people and ask them for their papers... this is not unique the the UK, Canada, or the United States either, and some of the countries plan to do more than just deport people. Strong identity is incr…
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#105Earlier quoted context omitted.
For argument sake, instead of outlawing data brokers wouldn’t it be better to design a better ID system that renders one’s name, dob, and SSN as harmless information? I don’t know what that would look like but if I had congresses attention I’d like them to fix the problem rather than playing whack-a-mole with banning data sources. I don’t think any actual solutions come from that.
In many countries in Europe, your ID card contains a chip with a cryptographic key, much like chip&pin on a debit or credit card. Those bits of information are worthless when you need to create a cryptographic signature with your ID card to do almost anything important. If the card is lost or stolen they can just remove your old one from the keyserver. It's literally just public key crypto. Identity theft is rampant…
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Access_Card https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIPS_201
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#106Are there any ways to check the breach to see if my information is there, other than downloading it myself? I’m not sure of the legality of doing so.
While it uses your email to check (not SSN) odds are if they have your SSN in the dataset they also have your email.
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#107Earlier quoted context omitted.
fyi that is likely to be a crime, at the very least has been cases of websites being punished for linking to illegally distributed IP (even if not hosting it).
I'd be worried about legal repercussions if we were talking about the latest Disney movie, but this is merely the private information of a billion people. Never seen IP law give much of a crap about that before.
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#108Earlier quoted context omitted.
Which would never work because real life data is messy so the hashes would not match. Even something as simple as SSN + DOB runs into loads of potential formatting and data entry issues you'll have to perfectly solve before such a system could work, and even that makes assumptions as to what data will be available from each dataset. Some may be only name and address. Some may include DoB, but the person might have li…
> Even something as simple as SSN + DOB runs into loads of potential formatting and data entry issues you'll have to perfectly solve You don’t have to solve it perfectly to be an improvement. Also this is BS. Not every bit of data is perfectly formatted and structured but both of your examples are structured data. You can 100% reliably and deterministically hash this data. There’s so much in your argument that can be…
They don't want to solve your problem. You aren't their customer. They want to comply with the letter of the request in as much as it covers their own butt in terms of regulatory requirements and/or political optics.
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#109Earlier quoted context omitted.
For argument sake, instead of outlawing data brokers wouldn’t it be better to design a better ID system that renders one’s name, dob, and SSN as harmless information? I don’t know what that would look like but if I had congresses attention I’d like them to fix the problem rather than playing whack-a-mole with banning data sources. I don’t think any actual solutions come from that.
In many countries in Europe, your ID card contains a chip with a cryptographic key, much like chip&pin on a debit or credit card. Those bits of information are worthless when you need to create a cryptographic signature with your ID card to do almost anything important. If the card is lost or stolen they can just remove your old one from the keyserver. It's literally just public key crypto. Identity theft is rampant…
The first is religious nuts who think it would be a "mark of the beast"
The second is anti-government types who are, well, anti-government anything.
The third is many business owners, because it would become much harder/risky to hire illegal immigrants to work.
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#110Does anyone else just not give a fuck at this point about their SSN? I feel like maybe early 00s this would be scary but it's clear that everyone's SSN is out there already or waiting to get breached from a shady private data broker. The problem lies in how institutions treat the SSN, not the number itself.
Yes. 99% of the time “identity theft” means a huge company cut corners on their security policies and wants us to subsidize their negligence. Every so often there are cases like that guy who pretended to be his former coworker for decades but they’re rare enough that they make the news internationally. Most of the time it used to be things like instant credit applications where they didn’t “slow” purchases with ID ch…