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Re: Apple's requirements are about to hit creators and fans on Patreon

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where’s the line between buying something on amazon, ordering a ride on uber, and patreon? why do some purchases get exempt and not others?

The line is "can you use the purchase solely in the app distributed through Apple's infrastructure". I think their fee is outrageous, but that does seem like a defensible line.

Re: Apple's requirements are about to hit creators and fans on Patreon

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Why is there even a Patreon app? Should've sent people to the website. You bought into the platform, so you have to pay by their rules.

> Why is there even a Patreon app?

Considering its tendency to overheat your phone even when displaying pure text posts, it's there so you can warm your hands in winter.

Re: Apple's requirements are about to hit creators and fans on Patreon

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where’s the line between buying something on amazon, ordering a ride on uber, and patreon? why do some purchases get exempt and not others?

I do wonder if a workaround here is buying a physical postcard from a patreon creator that comes with a free monthly subscription. A 50c mailed card would be cheaper for any subscription above $2.

Re: Apple's requirements are about to hit creators and fans on Patreon

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Even if we have to accept all the BS from Apple, at least customers should be aware of the information at the purchase time that they're paying 30% more money compared to other alternative options. This asymmetricity of information is playing good only for Apple at the cost of all the app creators and their customers.

Re: Apple's requirements are about to hit creators and fans on Patreon

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Yes, it's a reasonable workaround. I believe Patreon also allows creators to "pause" their account, suspending payments for an indefinite amount of time. So, I could just keep the account paused, then unpause for a month when I make a video. Although, I believe that Patreon doesn't want the per-creation model themselves, since charging the same amount each month is simpler, and easier to project revenue, etc, so they…

So why is Patreon doing this if even they don't like it?

Patreon doesn't have a choice. Apple is too large to give up having an iOS app - too many customers will just walk away instead of using the alternative (or so they think - but I don't blame them for not being willing to experiment - if they are right it will cost a lot of customers)

Well there is a choice, but it is questionable if suing will or will not result in any change. Even if they win in court it will be several years and millions of dollars in legal fees, and it isn't clear they will win.

Re: Apple's requirements are about to hit creators and fans on Patreon

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I think the platform you should switch to here is Android. This is Apple's fault, Patreon doesn't seem like it likes the changes any more than you do.

Google forces apps on the Play Store to use Google's payment methods and give them a 15% to 30% cut of revenue, as well. You can sideload, but the duopoly exists and they're shaking 99.9% of users down for every dime they can get out of them.

I guess I'm having a hard time understanding why a Patreon app is even needed or wanted. ApplePay I understand.

Re: Apple's requirements are about to hit creators and fans on Patreon

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do you think that they can switch their customers platform? this comment doesn't make any sense at all.

Does the app give any benefit over the web? Asking customers to use the browser over the dedicated app doesn’t seem unreasonable.

Apple forbids even mentioning alternative payment methods within the app.

Re: Apple's requirements are about to hit creators and fans on Patreon

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Does the app give any benefit over the web? Asking customers to use the browser over the dedicated app doesn’t seem unreasonable.

Does apple allow that? I think there are rules about telling people not to use IOS method. Not sure if that would extend to content displayed in the app too from creators?

Take Apple out of the loop entirely.

Why does Patreon need an app? Have users go through the website. Send them updates when people post new content.

I've never used the Patreon app on either Android or iOS. I support a number of creators and I have no idea why I'd want an app. Money is taken from my account. Receipts are sent to my email. Articles from creators are sent to my email, and if they're long enough I click a link and read the full article (or view the pictures) on the website.

Re: Apple's requirements are about to hit creators and fans on Patreon

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The App Store model was specifically implemented and approved by Steve Jobs. There's old internal e-mails from him complaining about Amazon's reader app making it too easy to buy books without paying the (increasingly literal) Apple Tax. In fact, the reason why antitrust lawsuits seem to never stick to Apple is because all the mens rea was stored in the mind of a guy who tried to cure his pancreatic cancer with fruit…

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Ahh, an oncologist?

Wait, no.

Hmm:

> The McDougall Program is a transformative and life-saving 12-day online medical program designed by Dr. McDougall. For over 35 years, this program has been helping individuals reverse chronic illness and take charge of their health.

"chronic illness", very specific! And in only 12 days! Wow.

Okay, it doesn't get any better when you get specific:

Osteoporosis (no, you can't reverse that, though with diet AND medication, you can slow it). Arthritis, same. Cancer? Ooh, that's a bold claim, "this diet will reverse cancer". Multiple sclerosis, same.

And all from the same diet!

If it walks like a duck... it says quack quack.

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