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Re: Apple's requirements are about to hit creators and fans on Patreon

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If nothing else, to get consistent notifications from the creators you are a patron of, as Apple dragged their feet on web app notifications for many years, and they are still crippled and unreliable.

So for nothing then.

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Re: Apple's requirements are about to hit creators and fans on Patreon

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Absurd. What next, they want a 30% cut from me when I set up automatic payments for my credit card through the banks iOS app?

Yeah I can't understand why people think that inviting new middlemen into their transactions is acceptable. It's time to stop prostrating ourselves to these companies.

> can't understand why people think that inviting new middlemen into their transactions is acceptable

Same reason people use credit cards or Gmail or hell Patreon. It reduces the number of counterparties you have to deal with and trust.

Re: Apple's requirements are about to hit creators and fans on Patreon

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The world where Apple is just completely fine with Apple users paying $13 instead of $10 for a subscription if they do it through an app is an interesting one. Obviously this makes a lot of money for them but when you think about it they must think very little of their customers treating them with disrespect like this. This is how 'Tim Cook's Apple' should be remembered.

We have to go further than that. Naming and shaming Tim Cook hasn't changed anything from Butterfly keyboards to cringeworthy "mother earth" interviews to exploitative Chinese manufacturing schemes. Apple doesn't speak your language, you can only communicate to them by showing them a world where they hurt. So outlaw this. Follow the EU's lead and fix this decade-old problem that has damaged the progress of personal c…

Butterfly keyboards are gone.

Re: Apple's requirements are about to hit creators and fans on Patreon

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The world where Apple is just completely fine with Apple users paying $13 instead of $10 for a subscription if they do it through an app is an interesting one. Obviously this makes a lot of money for them but when you think about it they must think very little of their customers treating them with disrespect like this. This is how 'Tim Cook's Apple' should be remembered.

The App Store model was specifically implemented and approved by Steve Jobs. There's old internal e-mails from him complaining about Amazon's reader app making it too easy to buy books without paying the (increasingly literal) Apple Tax.

In fact, the reason why antitrust lawsuits seem to never stick to Apple is because all the mens rea was stored in the mind of a guy who tried to cure his pancreatic cancer with fruit juice[0]. Everything Cook does as a businessman is just the "maximally extended" version of what Jobs either already did on a smaller scale, or had been planning on doing before dying.

The failings of any organization are more often than not the fault of the people who were in charge during the good times.

[0] Fructose speeds the growth of pancreatic cancer.

Re: Apple's requirements are about to hit creators and fans on Patreon

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post #21

I think it's fair to take a fee for payments through Apple's infrastructure... but 30% is egregious.

Patreon doesn't currently and doesn't want to us Apple's infrastructure. They're being "forced" to do so, hence this post.

Or drop the app. And explain to everybody why you're doing this

Patreon works fine in a web browser.

Re: Apple's requirements are about to hit creators and fans on Patreon

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post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We have to go further than that. Naming and shaming Tim Cook hasn't changed anything from Butterfly keyboards to cringeworthy "mother earth" interviews to exploitative Chinese manufacturing schemes. Apple doesn't speak your language, you can only communicate to them by showing them a world where they hurt. So outlaw this. Follow the EU's lead and fix this decade-old problem that has damaged the progress of personal c…

Butterfly keyboards are gone.

All it took was four years, an impending major redesign and a few class-action lawsuits over switch failures. Apple was definitely super responsive about that one. Or maybe it was their courage speaking.

Re: Apple's requirements are about to hit creators and fans on Patreon

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The world where Apple is just completely fine with Apple users paying $13 instead of $10 for a subscription if they do it through an app is an interesting one. Obviously this makes a lot of money for them but when you think about it they must think very little of their customers treating them with disrespect like this. This is how 'Tim Cook's Apple' should be remembered.

Usually schemes like this have terms like “you’re not allowed to offer a cheaper price outside the ecosystem”.

My understanding from reading the Apple v Epic court documents is that Apple is unique in that it doesn’t force cheaper prices outside the ecosystem. I might be wrong though.

Re: Apple's requirements are about to hit creators and fans on Patreon

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Absurd. What next, they want a 30% cut from me when I set up automatic payments for my credit card through the banks iOS app?

Close. They already get a % whenever you use Apple Pay. In fact, it's part of why the EU demanded Apple provide NFC APIs to allow third-party replacements of the built-in Wallet app.

Re: Apple's requirements are about to hit creators and fans on Patreon

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where’s the line between buying something on amazon, ordering a ride on uber, and patreon? why do some purchases get exempt and not others?

That's the reason why Kindle doesn't sell ebooks on iOS

Apple is threatening to remove the Patreon app if they do the same.
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