I think it's fair to take a fee for payments through Apple's infrastructure... but 30% is egregious.
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#22Absurd. What next, they want a 30% cut from me when I set up automatic payments for my credit card through the banks iOS app?
It's fine for App Store developers to complain about their costs of doing business like any other business. I'm not sure what the point of bringing up nonsensical hypotheticals like bank payments is.
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#23where’s the line between buying something on amazon, ordering a ride on uber, and patreon? why do some purchases get exempt and not others?
Whether Apple believes it can strongarm the related companies.
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#24Absurd. What next, they want a 30% cut from me when I set up automatic payments for my credit card through the banks iOS app?
Yeah I can't understand why people think that inviting new middlemen into their transactions is acceptable. It's time to stop prostrating ourselves to these companies.
It's complicated.
Apple has given me a simple way to manage many of my subscriptions, a single pane of glass, which I appreciate. I'm fine paying a little extra for that.
It would be more valuable to me if Apple didn't charge too much, which turns away service providers.
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#25where’s the line between buying something on amazon, ordering a ride on uber, and patreon? why do some purchases get exempt and not others?
Arbitrary Apple rules. Apple decided that "physical" goods & services in app purchases don't get taxed (e.g., clothes, uber rides). Digital goods do because they feel like they can get away with it which is why you can't buy eBooks from Kobo or Amazon on iOS, can't buy or rent movies from Google on iOS. People will tell you this is for "safety" and to keep you from getting scammed but there's nothing stopping malicious actors from creating apps that promise to ship physical goods and just don't. At least with digital goods you should get whatever you pay for immediately after purchase.
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#26The world where Apple is just completely fine with Apple users paying $13 instead of $10 for a subscription if they do it through an app is an interesting one. Obviously this makes a lot of money for them but when you think about it they must think very little of their customers treating them with disrespect like this. This is how 'Tim Cook's Apple' should be remembered.
We have to go further than that. Naming and shaming Tim Cook hasn't changed anything from Butterfly keyboards to cringeworthy "mother earth" interviews to exploitative Chinese manufacturing schemes. Apple doesn't speak your language, you can only communicate to them by showing them a world where they hurt.
So outlaw this. Follow the EU's lead and fix this decade-old problem that has damaged the progress of personal computing irreparably. Apple's legacy should be the least of their concerns when they're forced to pay the piper for what they've done. If their recompense was proportional to the money they've stolen from creators and developers then I doubt Apple would even be solvent.
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#27Is there a reason why Patreon doesn't just pull out of the App Store? Whenever I got Patreon rewards, I'd just get them in an email notification and the link there took me to the website. Worked great without having to download an app.
Patreon has been pushing an app-based approach for awhile now; every email I get from them has callouts to open the notification in their app. I don't know why they badly want this - presumably for more user tracking, or because studies show that people engage more, or whatever - but pulling out of the app store would be at odds with this desire to push everyone into their app.
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#28Is there a reason why Patreon doesn't just pull out of the App Store? Whenever I got Patreon rewards, I'd just get them in an email notification and the link there took me to the website. Worked great without having to download an app.
The 30% fee is steep, but conversion rates using in-app purchase are astronomical compared to regular webpages with a credit card form. Everyone hates it (developers, I mean), but it works very well.
This isn't going to hit developers.
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#29Absurd. What next, they want a 30% cut from me when I set up automatic payments for my credit card through the banks iOS app?
Think bigger, Apple Intelligence will now detect that you are ordering a new TV over the phone and they will want their cut.
Re: Apple's requirements are about to hit creators and fans on Patreon
#30The world where Apple is just completely fine with Apple users paying $13 instead of $10 for a subscription if they do it through an app is an interesting one. Obviously this makes a lot of money for them but when you think about it they must think very little of their customers treating them with disrespect like this. This is how 'Tim Cook's Apple' should be remembered.
Usually schemes like this have terms like “you’re not allowed to offer a cheaper price outside the ecosystem”.