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Firefox Sidebar and Vertical tabs: try them out

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Re: Firefox Sidebar and Vertical tabs: try them out

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I wish they'd gone with [Compact Tabs] a-la Safari instead of Vertical Tabs a-la Edge. A unified tab and address bar is just so much more elegant and versatile. After switching back from MacOS to Windows, it's only thing I truly miss. Vertical tabs just seem like a transitional step.

[Compact Tabs]: https://9to5mac.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/6/2021/06/Scree...

Re: Firefox Sidebar and Vertical tabs: try them out

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You must not had ADD :-). I currently have 2630 tabs in my main window (I admit I may need to prune that down _just a bit_). But that many tabs can only happen with a vertical tab-bar. I started with tree-style tabs but I'm now using "Sideberry" which seems to be a little nicer.

> I started with tree-style tabs but I'm now using "Sideberry" which seems to be a little nicer. Could you qualify this? I always see the recommendation but I never see any reasons to prefer Sidebery over Tree-Style Tabs.

A few years ago, the main advantage was merely that "Sidebery is far less buggy and much more performant than Tree Style Tab".

Nowadays, the gap has... widened. The little details matter, but there's big feature differences too: panels, saving/restore to JSON, better appearance, tons of options for tweaking (but with sane defaults), ...

Re: Firefox Sidebar and Vertical tabs: try them out

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Have you tried Simple Tab Groups? It's a similar concept but instead of keeping all the tabs organised as a tree (and generally keeping them all open), you can create groups of tabs that are kept unloaded/hidden and you can load them up on a given window with a click of a button or a hotkey. I personally use them so I can context switch between projects. I can keep one group for project a, one for project b, one for…

Vivaldi has this built-in, they call it Workspaces. It's the #1 thing I like about the browser. Firefox had this to back in ancient times, it was called Tab Candy, Panorama, or tab groups, depending on the release number. Then they killed it because "nobody used it."

Hopefully this new vertical tab system doesn't suffer the same fate as Panorama...

Re: Firefox Sidebar and Vertical tabs: try them out

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Found a recent screenshot of it on Reddit. Looks good, I hope it has similar nesting like Tree Style Tab though. In my opinion that is still the best implementation of this idea across all browsers. Firefox' UI has kinda stagnated. It's not like other browsers are far ahead – Chrome doesn't have vertical tabs either – but it does have groups and profiles. They really need to get out of this stale and boring state and…

Firefox has profiles. It's just not very user-friendly. But Chrome tabs don't even have horizontal scrolling. If you work with, say, more than 10 tabs, Chrome squashes them, and the more tabs you have open, the less usable it becomes. Meanwhile, Firefox has horizontal scrolling and neat (geeky) options for navigating lots of tabs.

I remember chrome has a flag for this.

Re: Firefox Sidebar and Vertical tabs: try them out

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post #329

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Edge and Vivaldi had vertical tabs as native functionality before Arc even existed. Firefox also had it via an extension.

...and Vivaldi had vertical tabs as native functionality before Edge even existed (and about six years before Edge implemented it). The only other browser (to my knowledge) that had native tabs earlier than Vivaldi was the original Opera browser, which was eventually killed, which in turn led to people leaving the company and creating Vivaldi.

I still miss the flexibility of the originals Opera's UI. As well as the built-in email client.

https://imgur.com/a/HWaxm0P (from 2009)

Re: Firefox Sidebar and Vertical tabs: try them out

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I'm on 1018 right now, I think you're the first person I've ever seen with more open tabs than me )) I've actually been working hard to have less open tabs every evening than what I had when I started work. Maybe in 1018 day I'll close that last tab. And yes, there is a reason that every single one of them is open.

Genuinely curious, what are some of the reasons you keep them around? Every time I read about someone with that kind of tab count I immediately wonder: 1) if they have that many persistent tabs and actually need (probably the wrong word here) them, how many tabs do they actually close? 2) Does closing a long standing tab invoke a physiological/emotional response? I'm only poking a little fun with #2. I have to active…

  > 1) if they have that many persistent tabs and actually need (probably the wrong word here) them, how many tabs do they actually close?
I don't have any persistent tabs, I can open and close e.g. Gmail whenever I need. Rather these are all tabs related to some project or another that I've been interrupted in the middle. Most of them I just need to copy some definition or idea to e.g. Anki. Others may have lists of potential solutions to potential problems. For instance I know that I have a bunch of tabs dealing with OCR open somewhere - those I just need to copy the URLs and I could then close. I just need a spare week to do all these little things.

  > 2) Does closing a long standing tab invoke a physiological/emotional response?
Haha, no. Some tabs are more important than others, but if they get lost I can move on. I just might need to redo research that I've already done.

Re: Firefox Sidebar and Vertical tabs: try them out

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This made me think of one thing that I've wanted to see for a long time with browsers: split-pane view. In other words, the ability to see two browser sessions, side-by-side, with a vertical split between them. Two viewports, each with their group of tabs. The same type of view you can get in, for example, Notepad++ with its "Tab>Move to Other View", or Visual Studio's "Tab>New Vertical Document Group". I frequently…

Vivaldi has split pane. I use that if I need it.

Re: Firefox Sidebar and Vertical tabs: try them out

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you tried Simple Tab Groups? It's a similar concept but instead of keeping all the tabs organised as a tree (and generally keeping them all open), you can create groups of tabs that are kept unloaded/hidden and you can load them up on a given window with a click of a button or a hotkey. I personally use them so I can context switch between projects. I can keep one group for project a, one for project b, one for…

Vivaldi has this built-in, they call it Workspaces. It's the #1 thing I like about the browser. Firefox had this to back in ancient times, it was called Tab Candy, Panorama, or tab groups, depending on the release number. Then they killed it because "nobody used it."

Chrome finally added Tab Groups, so now it's OK for Firefox to have it.
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