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Firefox Sidebar and Vertical tabs: try them out

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Re: Firefox Sidebar and Vertical tabs: try them out

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Post by mchem »

KaiMagnus wrote: post #20

Found a recent screenshot of it on Reddit. Looks good, I hope it has similar nesting like Tree Style Tab though. In my opinion that is still the best implementation of this idea across all browsers. Firefox' UI has kinda stagnated. It's not like other browsers are far ahead – Chrome doesn't have vertical tabs either – but it does have groups and profiles. They really need to get out of this stale and boring state and…

In case it helps any reader, I recently discovered the [cmd + shift + a] / [control + shift + a] shortcut in chrome for ‘vertical tabs-ish’ in searchable form

Re: Firefox Sidebar and Vertical tabs: try them out

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Post by Vinnl »

supriyo-biswas wrote: post #189
KaiMagnus wrote: post #20

Found a recent screenshot of it on Reddit. Looks good, I hope it has similar nesting like Tree Style Tab though. In my opinion that is still the best implementation of this idea across all browsers. Firefox' UI has kinda stagnated. It's not like other browsers are far ahead – Chrome doesn't have vertical tabs either – but it does have groups and profiles. They really need to get out of this stale and boring state and…

The current implementation still leaves in the tab bar at the top at least on Macs. I hope they iron these bugs out before their stable release.

The bottom button in the sidebar ("Customize sidebar") allows you to turn off the tab bar at the top.

Re: Firefox Sidebar and Vertical tabs: try them out

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Post by Vinnl »

stemlord wrote: post #174
KaiMagnus wrote: post #20

Found a recent screenshot of it on Reddit. Looks good, I hope it has similar nesting like Tree Style Tab though. In my opinion that is still the best implementation of this idea across all browsers. Firefox' UI has kinda stagnated. It's not like other browsers are far ahead – Chrome doesn't have vertical tabs either – but it does have groups and profiles. They really need to get out of this stale and boring state and…

Great now they just need to add back a dedicated grab-zone along the top of the window

Right click on the empty area next to the address bar, click "Customise Toolbar...", then in the bottom left-hand corner you can toggle the Title Bar.

Re: Firefox Sidebar and Vertical tabs: try them out

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Post by dotancohen »

rimunroe wrote: post #182
__david__ wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You must not had ADD :-). I currently have 2630 tabs in my main window (I admit I may need to prune that down _just a bit_). But that many tabs can only happen with a vertical tab-bar. I started with tree-style tabs but I'm now using "Sideberry" which seems to be a little nicer.

> You must not had ADD :-). I currently have 2630 tabs in my main window (I admit I may need to prune that down _just a bit_). People with ADHD ("ADD" is a very outdated term) aren't always disorganized. In fact, they're often organized to an unusually high degree (sometimes to a fault). I've been diagnosed since 1996 and I rarely have more than 10 or 12 tabs open across all windows at a time. Paying close attention…

I'm on 1018 right now, I think you're the first person I've ever seen with more open tabs than me ))

I've actually been working hard to have less open tabs every evening than what I had when I started work. Maybe in 1018 day I'll close that last tab. And yes, there is a reason that every single one of them is open.

Re: Firefox Sidebar and Vertical tabs: try them out

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Post by Vinnl »

wtcactus wrote: post #140
doix wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I guess this is in response to Arc browsers design. https://arc.net/ It's funny how we've gone full cycle. Early versions of Firefox get vertical tabs because the plugin system is very rich and you could do whatever you wanted with XUL. Firefox quantum comes around and kills XUL based extensions, vertical tabs are dead. Arc revives an ancient idea as something new and hip, firefox "responds" by reviving the very th…

Arc is much more than that, though. 1st. Tabs are both tabs and bookmarks. They exist to be more or less persistent (as long as you add them to folders - I get it, it's not everyone's workflow, but for people like me, it's a blessing). 2nd. It has a brilliant tab sync between devices. Something Firefox doesn't do - in fact, only Edge does that. 3rd. Is much lighter on resources on macOS. Some months ago I decided to…

You can open tabs from other devices in Firefox. They don't open automatically though, presumably because some people (i.e. myself) would find that horrible.

Re: Firefox Sidebar and Vertical tabs: try them out

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Post by delecti »

__david__ wrote: post #165
Retr0id wrote: post #86

I used to be a tree-style-tabs power user but at some point I went back to regular tabs. I find that the amount of horizontal tab space is pretty close to the actual number of things I can usefully have open at once. Seeing the tabs get "squished" is my reminder to close the ones I no longer need. I was using the tab-state as a sort of short-term working memory and I don't think it was doing me any favours, particula…

You must not had ADD :-). I currently have 2630 tabs in my main window (I admit I may need to prune that down _just a bit_). But that many tabs can only happen with a vertical tab-bar. I started with tree-style tabs but I'm now using "Sideberry" which seems to be a little nicer.

I've got ADHD and work hard to keep my tabs under control. As soon as they get too small to read (at least part of) the title, I lose the ability to keep track of what I've got open, so there's no value in keeping them open. That threshold is about 20 tabs per window, and at most about 4 windows, and ideally closer to 5 tabs each in 2 windows, when things are under control.

Re: Firefox Sidebar and Vertical tabs: try them out

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Post by nirvdrum »

Eridrus wrote: post #131
Retr0id wrote: post #86

I used to be a tree-style-tabs power user but at some point I went back to regular tabs. I find that the amount of horizontal tab space is pretty close to the actual number of things I can usefully have open at once. Seeing the tabs get "squished" is my reminder to close the ones I no longer need. I was using the tab-state as a sort of short-term working memory and I don't think it was doing me any favours, particula…

I feel like tree style tabs made sense when monitors were just a little narrower and so you wanted to make use of unused real estate. These days I want to split my window in half and have two windows open at once, e.g. code editor & browser/shell/etc. In general, I prefer having a search interface to my tabs, previously with Tabli, but now it's built into Chrome with Ctrl-Shift-A. I regularly have dozens of tabs open…

The ancestry information in Tree Style Tabs (and also with Orion's built-in vertical tabs) is an undersold feature, I think. Edge has vertical tabs and they're not terribly useful. You get a constant-sized click target, which is a huge UX bump over Chrome's shrinking targets, but having trees of tabs is amazingly useful for organization.

I hadn't really thought about the side-by-side window thing, though, so I'll keep that in mind when debating vertical tabs. I usually run with a multi-monitor and while I do side-by-side with i3, that's on a large monitor so screen real estate isn't a problem.

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Post by Izkata »

nullhole wrote: post #84

This made me think of one thing that I've wanted to see for a long time with browsers: split-pane view. In other words, the ability to see two browser sessions, side-by-side, with a vertical split between them. Two viewports, each with their group of tabs. The same type of view you can get in, for example, Notepad++ with its "Tab>Move to Other View", or Visual Studio's "Tab>New Vertical Document Group". I frequently…

Back in the XUL days there was an addon that did this. And it wasn't just two, I'm pretty sure you could split arbitrarily deep, both horizontal and vertical.

We lost a lot when they abandoned that.

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Post by Tagbert »

elchangri wrote: post #82
Tagbert wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

FF has said that they are finally adding groups, too, but I haven't heard anything about the timing of that. I'm really looking forward to that as I currently use a plugin for that and would love to drop the third-party plugin for something native. I'm always worried about the risk of a third-party plugin like that with such broad access. I'm a project manager and use it to manage about 200 tabs in about 12 groups. E…

It's called "Tab Containers" and Firefox was the first browser to have the feature

I'm not talking about Tab Containers. I don't need to segregate sessions/accounts or such.

Tab Groups is a way to be able to swap sets of tabs within a window. I can have groups for each of projects A, B, and C. Each project group can have a couple dozen tabs. When I switch groups, I only see the tabs for that group. I alternate among several projects each day and need to keep the pages live. Without groups, it is impossible to manage all of the tabs.

Re: Firefox Sidebar and Vertical tabs: try them out

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Post by entropie »

nine_k wrote: post #215
Retr0id wrote: post #191

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> tabs and bookmarks should meld into one I can see the appeal of this, and more broadly, not having to think about tab management. But for me, I find I actively benefit from the process of deciding what to keep around.

Certainly, you should keep this ability. Close it to not keep around :) Hiding stuff by subtree is not really flexible, I realize, and won't match everyone's tastes equally. Synching tabs and bookmarks could be a configurable option. I realize that traditional explicit bookmarks are also needed; where else can I easily put arbitrary searches using %s?

> I realize that traditional explicit bookmarks are also needed; where else can I easily put arbitrary searches using %s?

I outsourced that. Since I have seen leah2's anarchaias [1] tumblelog (and one of its successors project.ioni.st from the rails guys, I fail to find a snapshot online - it was pretty) I iterated through multiple software solutions. My bookmark manager is also a tumblog [2] and online accessible.

I would quickly get to overwhelmed by to many bookmarks and the lack of (plattform independent) organisation tools. I have a bookmarklet that adds the current site as entry (non puplic, and I edit it later (or delete)). It also mirrors and downloads stuff (images, reddit videos, etc).

1. https://leahneukirchen.org/anarchaia/

2. https://wecoso.de/bloogmarks

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