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Europe is in danger of regulating its tech market out of existence

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Re: Europe is in danger of regulating its tech market out of existence

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Post by Nathanba »

burnerthrow008 wrote: post #482
Nathanba wrote: post #330

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Yes but this is a multi billion dollar company and the base integration could be as simple as opening the link and it doesn't even have to link to the correct place. They can have the ui make clear that it's a generic link to another map site. Although I just figured out how to link to something with a query text on bing in a minute: https://www.bing.com/maps?q=USA The exact same thing works on kagi.com/maps btw. So…

> it doesn't even have to link to the correct place. That's an obvious DMA violation. You can't preference your own service over others, like when you link to the exact pin on your service but just the general area on another.

They already commit a DMA violation by showing any google map at all then. It's not rocket science to conform to the spirit of the law, if they offer a simple API for other map providers to provide their own strings to google it will be solved in a day. They clearly just don't want to actually advertise other mapping providers for free which is something I understand fully btw. But the way they are currently doing it is actively hurting them because I hate how I can't jump to any map from the searc results now.

Re: Europe is in danger of regulating its tech market out of existence

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Post by Destiner »

autoexec wrote: post #180

The EU is free to pass laws preventing gatekeepers and insisting on interoperability requirements and Apple is free to refuse to do that and not offer their non-competitive gatekeeping products in the EU. There's zero reason to think that this will mean the EU won't have a tech market. It just won't have one that includes Apple products which refuse to follow the law. Seems like a massive win for the EU, and because…

how it’s a win if i can’t use apple products?

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Post by cqqxo4zV46cp »

ADeerAppeared wrote: post #340
okanat wrote: post #250

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EU didn't go into an uncontrolled spree investing every company that had .com in its name and ruined thousands of lives and wasted billions of dollars. EU usually doesn't let companies to grow uncontrollable sizes that the government is completely controlled by them not the citizens. The existence of Big Tech means that the government did a very poor job in protecting the consumers and the free and fair market

> EU didn't go into an uncontrolled spree investing every company that had .com in its name and ruined thousands of lives and wasted billions of dollars. This is the thing that so many Americans in tech don't seem to understand. VC Twitter is full of smugposting about how the US has "$5 trillion market-cap of startups" and the EU doesn't. And what they miss is that the EU doesn't want Silicon Valley. It doesn't want…

American culture in a nutshell is to be in awe of large numbers without thinking very hard about whether you’re measuring the right things in the first place.

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Post by wkat4242 »

ilrwbwrkhv wrote: post #294
echoangle wrote: post #268

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How is apple impacted if Vision Pro fails? You think they care about the lost R&D cost? Or do you think others will leapfrog them in the VR/AR space?

This is the first product miss. And I don't know where Apple goes from here. Others will also leapfrog them is my instinct. Basically they are too big now and startups have a chance of beating both Google and Apple.

Apple has had other misses. They themselves cancelled the iPhone mini. There was the newton, quite similarly a product that the technology level was not quite ready for but they had great success with later. They constantly screw up with the Mac pro, introducing one version and then letting it whither away for many years.

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Post by cqqxo4zV46cp »

nrr wrote: post #391
ilrwbwrkhv wrote: post #252

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But Apple also fumbled with the Vision Pro. They won't remain on the top for much longer I think.

Did they? It really felt to me like they weren't trying for a moonshot with it: their sales projection of ca. 1M units falls under the single-digit percentage range of their annual revenue. Yeah, they've actually sold less than that, but in context, it's still very much a "let's throw it at the wall and see what sticks" kind of thing. It also nonetheless fits how Apple communicates their product vision in new areas.

Yes. Everyone has set targets and expectations, which imply a certain product strategy, that are all completely at odds with everything Apple has indicated. Then, they call AVP a failure for. It meeting those set expectations. It’s not all that impressive to win an argument when you get that much freedom over framing things without much regard for the realities.

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Post by cqqxo4zV46cp »

refurb wrote: post #373
bamboozled wrote: post #215

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How important “big tech” though? Honestly ? It’s even an insidious sounding name.

How important is technological industry? Pretty damn important I'd say if you're interested in economic growth and hence supporting your social safety net.

Big tech is not inherent in the concept of a tech industry. Big tech is like 6 companies that want to swallow the world. Not being able to separate these two concepts is grade school level literacy and critical thinking. It’s not acceptable to conflate them. It’s completely ridiculous.

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Post by awesomeMilou »

roenxi wrote: post #458
awesomeMilou wrote: post #429

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> Nokia was blown out of the market by superior Chinese manufacturing and US design [0]. No, Nokia was blown out of the market via the exclusive deal with Microsoft, which in turn made the dumbest management decisions ever. Nokia bled under the horrible management of Steve Ballmer and their own ignorance with regards to Android. They also proved later on that you don't need any expertise to produce decent Android pho…

Pretty telling though. When dijit was talking about Tencent, Microsoft or Google a few comments ago they were being presented as these huge incumbent behemoths that scoop up everything in their path. And, fair enough, they are. But when Nokia starts with an overwhelming incumbents advantage, their board doesn't even have confidence that Nokia's internal talent pool can lead them to make a mobile phone! They couldn't…

> their board doesn't even have confidence that Nokia's internal talent pool can lead them to make a mobile phone!

I'm sorry but it's honestly pointless discussing this as no one in this thread wants to spend even an ounce of time into researching this. Reading your comment in it's entirety tells me you weren't there when stuff was happening.

> That was an A-Team EU hardware company's performance.

For the record, the Lumia phones had A-Tier hardware in them. They boasted the best low light cameras on phones for a while around ~2012.

Nokia made the Lumia phones, MS provided the operating system. Previously, Nokia had their own Linux based OS, called Maemo, which was originally supposed to run on what became Lumia. It later formed into Sailfish OS, which had it's own device family.

The issue wasn't the hardware platform itself, it was the fact that Nokia decided to go with the MS ecosystem, instead of Android. And honestly, I don't even think that was a bad move. I am at a loss trying to figure out how device manufacturers actually make profits based on what has turned into extremely restrictive licensing deals with Google in order to get GAPPS on their phones.

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Post by lofaszvanitt »

pembrook wrote: post #124
KaiserPro wrote: post #88

A company that provides a phone service (mobile or other) has to conform to a large amount of regulatory red tape. Why? because either a company before tried to monopolise the entire country, or they killed someone. Now, large tech companies haven't wholesale killed people (unlike say tobacco, or talc powder, 3M and half of their solvents, weed killer, most car makers, etc etc) but they have been trying desperately t…

Nobody is against regulation that disfavors large incumbents to support competition instead. You'll struggle to find people who are against the Digital Markets Act for this reason. It literally only targets the potential monopolists. However, virtually every other piece of regulation does the opposite. Regulation usually gets trotted out after the downside of doing [new innovation] is experienced. This always happens…

"before we've even had a chance to experience both the upside and downside, so the innovation never happens at all."

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Let me laugh out loud. Those, who govern these companies know 10 years ahead how and what will happen. Bigdiks higher up has 10-20 year plans. And people talk about "before we had a chance to experience the upsides and the downsides". Get a grip on reality.

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Post by Caius-Cosades »

It's not like europe has any viable economic future left anyways. They've regulated, taxed and sanctioned their own industries out of existence and tourism is an excessively poor substitute economically. Good luck having high-tech industry or market without domestic support for it.

Pretty much only thing Europe is consistently producing nowadays is new legislations (EU and national, which are enforced incoherently and at the times contradictory)

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Post by awesomeMilou »

pragmaticd wrote: post #437
awesomeMilou wrote: post #429

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> Nokia was blown out of the market by superior Chinese manufacturing and US design [0]. No, Nokia was blown out of the market via the exclusive deal with Microsoft, which in turn made the dumbest management decisions ever. Nokia bled under the horrible management of Steve Ballmer and their own ignorance with regards to Android. They also proved later on that you don't need any expertise to produce decent Android pho…

Exactly. Part of Nokia still lives on in Jolla and they have a modest team.

I owned a Jolla phone and it was the sickest thing ever, even though I was a Linux noob.

I honestly think Android was a net loss for mobile computing, both in terms of platform and performance.

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