An adult should be able to become proficient at HTML within minutes, hours at most.
My daughter (7 years old) used HTML to make a website
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Re: My daughter (7 years old) used HTML to make a website
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If you want to remove the semantics of table elements, you could set a role="presentation" attribute on all table-related tags. I'm wondering what HTML semantics enthusiasts will say about this. ;-)
You almost got me. After all why not? So I had to go read stuff, and think more about it than I would have. So thanks for this. So: is probably mostly fine, but not great, and not good practice. The ARIA spec [1] says: > 2. Notes on ARIA Use in HTML > 2.1 First Rule of ARIA Use > If you can use a native HTML element [HTML51] or attribute with the semantics and behavior you require already built in, instead of re-purp…
css also gets complicated much faster than html. I like to offload complexity to less complicated areas.
a practical example: i look at each row and set rowspan for duplicate values. a series of rows might have week 22 as their first cell and multiple with monday as their second.
Re: My daughter (7 years old) used HTML to make a website
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Are you serious? Embedding a language (CSS) into the string literals of another one (HTML) is of course much more complicated, and needlessly so. Also, there's nothing XML-but-not-actually about HTML. Both HTML and XML are derived from SGML.
The kid doesn't have to know that's it's CSS, and `style="background: url('animals.jpg')"` is more clear than just `background` because it explicitly states that this a networked resource that is being retrieved with the url() function. If you tried to set the `background` attribute to "blue" it wouldn't do anything, because you have to use the `bgcolor` attribute to color the background of the page. But the `backgro…
Have you met any 7 year olds? Have you taught any beginners to do computer stuff?
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I miss the fun in software development in the workplace. Something has changed. When I started 20+ years ago, people would get excited about something new they learned and rush to tell other people about it. Now everybody is grim, too busy grinding and "managing their visibility" to show any pleasure. If it was just me and my friends who were joyless now, I'd chalk it up to us getting old, but my coworkers who are th…
I would not assume they’re miserable because I probably would have the same reaction if I was them. We have just been bombarded with so much technology and advancements in the past two decades that it really takes a lot to impress us. We’ve had ppl conputing, smartphones, electric cars, semi-autonomous driving, VR and ChatGPT. A tool that parses Parquet is very very low in the totem pole, compared to all the new tech…
To be fair, the more seasoned observers among us were not affected by most of those disappointments due to ha ing recognized the signs from the beginning they'd peter out.
Other than Google wave. We all thought that was cool at the time. But I think failure has more to do with Google's poor as usual execution. See also how they had near total domination of the chat market back when Gmail Chat was the most popular chat briefly and pissed it all away with constant reorgs and rebrands and refractors that went in a circle until facebook won.
Re: My daughter (7 years old) used HTML to make a website
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I would not assume they’re miserable because I probably would have the same reaction if I was them. We have just been bombarded with so much technology and advancements in the past two decades that it really takes a lot to impress us. We’ve had ppl conputing, smartphones, electric cars, semi-autonomous driving, VR and ChatGPT. A tool that parses Parquet is very very low in the totem pole, compared to all the new tech…
It doesnt help that current quality of life is pretty grim, downright terrible if youre young, heck even if youre pushing into middle age. Possibly beyond but I dont have as much perspective for that demographic. things that give you the mental resources to take the time to have fun with things are simply not avaliable to most of us these days. As a simple example, young folks have near no chance of ever owning a hom…
A few years ago I lived for a while in Tulsa, Oklahoma. It was pretty easy to find a $110k software job that was pretty chill and well, not so exciting or conducive for the ambitious. Numerically pay isn't what faang might pay in SF. But faang workers in SF claim they can't buy a house, yet this lower salary easily could have bought a mansion in Tulsa. They could have even cut my salary in half and it still would afford a nice average house.
Probably not a coincidence I saw a lot more families with children across all social classes there than in my prior NYC life. Hm.
So I don't think America has a cost of living problem, I think the bay area, core NYC and a few other major metros have a cost of living problem. That's bad, but those are two different things.
Re: My daughter (7 years old) used HTML to make a website
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I know you're not entirely serious, but we really had it good and largely figured out with tables. It's probably because using tables for layouts was my native language, but I still sometimes have to mentally translate divs into a table in my mind to picture what is happening, and when default types are change (like block to inline, etc) it sometimes breaks my brain and I have to fallback to experimentation to get wh…
Tables aren't even deprecated. IMO you're better off keeping the tables than transforming it into soup. 20 years ago you'd hear it shouted from the rooftops: "Tables for layout are not semantic!". Guess what? s are never semantic. Just use tables if it suits you.
Although I suppose at this point Hacker News is the peak of table layout!
Re: My daughter (7 years old) used HTML to make a website
#417My son would agree.
Re: My daughter (7 years old) used HTML to make a website
#4187 years old? Don't force kids If you need your kid to be kid. Hand coding HTML is just trash than collecting leaves & beautify the kindergarden book. I've no memory for last 10+ years other than computer and programming. All I've pretty beautiful memory from childhood.
HTML is fine to lean to code by hand. Tags can provide clear starts and ends for beginners, as well as concepts of nesting. Folks who learned to code HTML using a wysiwyg html editor may be able to describe how it helped them learn.
Programming isn't big deal any old age man can do programming. Anyone can learn programming at any age. But kids life never come back.
At least teaching standard mathamatics like bits and bytes with abacus can be acceptable. It might be helpful to improve the math skill along with their school syllabus. Math is universally standard. Math actually improves our lifestyle.
But programming is just text format that a engineer designed. A well designed IDE with voice assist can replace all kind of programming.
Re: My daughter (7 years old) used HTML to make a website
#419it's good to see a little person having fun with all this technocrap that us grognards have gotten so bitter about over the years/decades. :) i hope she continues to have a blast! (from the dedication page in SICP:) “I think that it’s extraordinarily important that we in computer science keep fun in computing. When it started out, it was an awful lot of fun. Of course, the paying customers got shafted every now and t…
I miss the fun in software development in the workplace. Something has changed. When I started 20+ years ago, people would get excited about something new they learned and rush to tell other people about it. Now everybody is grim, too busy grinding and "managing their visibility" to show any pleasure. If it was just me and my friends who were joyless now, I'd chalk it up to us getting old, but my coworkers who are th…
Re: My daughter (7 years old) used HTML to make a website
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It doesnt help that current quality of life is pretty grim, downright terrible if youre young, heck even if youre pushing into middle age. Possibly beyond but I dont have as much perspective for that demographic. things that give you the mental resources to take the time to have fun with things are simply not avaliable to most of us these days. As a simple example, young folks have near no chance of ever owning a hom…
I don't know. It's not hard to buy a home if you're an American software engineer though, and aren't tied to the bay area or NYC. There are even places commuting distance from NYC where you can get a $250k single family freestanding home. A few years ago I lived for a while in Tulsa, Oklahoma. It was pretty easy to find a $110k software job that was pretty chill and well, not so exciting or conducive for the ambitiou…
I’m now living overseas, where housing is also expensive, but at least within reach due to low interest rates and just plain building more smaller houses.