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My daughter (7 years old) used HTML to make a website

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Re: My daughter (7 years old) used HTML to make a website

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Now this is the real internet. Real people writing about things they're interested in, and not with the intention of turning it into a content farm. Of course at 7 years old we cannot expect a deep, fleshed out site like in the Geocities golden age, but I wish older kids and adults would continue this practice of authoring their own pages, and manually linking them together. CMSes are incredibly limiting by design, e…

Whats wrong with using a CMS? A lot of them offer html content elements if you wish to express yourself more freely I don't miss the days of framesets and including the header, footer and menu over and over again

A CMS makes the backend inaccessible. Want to add inline styles to a page? You can't. Want to embed a script for some quick interactivity? You can't. Of course you could attempt to locate the theme files and edit them, and edit the configuration files to enqueue scripts but at that point you're no longer having fun.

The only thing you can do is write paragraphs in templated portions of the page. And that's who a CMS is for: people who are doing a job, and have no curiosity about looking under the hood and messing around.

Re: My daughter (7 years old) used HTML to make a website

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I learned quite a lot by viewing the source of this delightfully clean and spartan website. You don't need a DOCTYPE tag? You don't need a head tag? You don't need to declare the charset? The body tag has a "background" attribute? The HTML "center" tag still works?

marquee still works too

Re: My daughter (7 years old) used HTML to make a website

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it's good to see a little person having fun with all this technocrap that us grognards have gotten so bitter about over the years/decades. :) i hope she continues to have a blast! (from the dedication page in SICP:) “I think that it’s extraordinarily important that we in computer science keep fun in computing. When it started out, it was an awful lot of fun. Of course, the paying customers got shafted every now and t…

Kind of reminds me of the quote from the Steve Jobs movie: "The most efficient animal on the planet is a condor. The most inefficient animals on the planet are humans. But a human with a bicycle becomes the most efficient animal. And the right computer -- a friendly, easy computer that isn’t an eyesore but rather sits on your desk with the beauty of a tensor lamp -- the right computer will be a bicycle for the mind.…

Internet tells me that human is not the most inefficient, but pretty much down on the list. Sorry to be that guy, but to me a joke or quote needs to be true to impact :(

https://ghijklmno.net/a-bicycle-for-the-mind/

Re: My daughter (7 years old) used HTML to make a website

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Files are an abstraction that was very useful in the last several decades, but that just isn't as relevant in the current world. Those videos and documents you mentioned are likely managed via object storage in a distributed database, itself possibly using block storage directly, with no actual "file" in an old-school filesystem anywhere in sight. I still personally cling to files personally, but I have no real reaso…

Sure, call them byte streams or blobs, that's fine too. I'm not disagreeing, but the point I wanted to make was that recently, people seem to have gotten the idea that their objects are semi-magical things locked into some app or some cloud service. Which is fine by the SaaS providers, or course. But it doesn't really foster understanding of the world around you. Like kids thinking corn comes from the corn factory.

I think that part of the reason for my thinking is that I've recently been playing around with USD (Universal Scene Description). It is currently mostly based on files, but I find the underlying representation - of layers of atomic properties being composed together in a massive tree - to be very elegant, and it can be managed in a database without any files or blobs anywhere.

As another example: in the early web, behind every url was a file (with an actual file extension), but then we abstracted them into resources, and I feel that this coincided with an evolution of the field.

The concept of a file or blob will probably still be useful in some capacity for decades to come, but I wouldn't want it to hinder us from realizing better abstractions.

Re: My daughter (7 years old) used HTML to make a website

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I know you're not entirely serious, but we really had it good and largely figured out with tables. It's probably because using tables for layouts was my native language, but I still sometimes have to mentally translate divs into a table in my mind to picture what is happening, and when default types are change (like block to inline, etc) it sometimes breaks my brain and I have to fallback to experimentation to get wh…

Tables aren't even deprecated. IMO you're better off keeping the tables than transforming it into soup. 20 years ago you'd hear it shouted from the rooftops: "Tables for layout are not semantic!". Guess what? s are never semantic. Just use tables if it suits you.

If you want to remove the semantics of table elements, you could set a role="presentation" attribute on all table-related tags. I'm wondering what HTML semantics enthusiasts will say about this. ;-)

Re: My daughter (7 years old) used HTML to make a website

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Same here, but I figured nobody would get the joke. From his downvote count, it looks like I was right.

Even if not, why would it be so bad to give advices to a young girl?

Apparently so.
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