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Re: My daughter (7 years old) used HTML to make a website

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Post by dkarl »

volkadav wrote: post #158

it's good to see a little person having fun with all this technocrap that us grognards have gotten so bitter about over the years/decades. :) i hope she continues to have a blast! (from the dedication page in SICP:) “I think that it’s extraordinarily important that we in computer science keep fun in computing. When it started out, it was an awful lot of fun. Of course, the paying customers got shafted every now and t…

I miss the fun in software development in the workplace. Something has changed. When I started 20+ years ago, people would get excited about something new they learned and rush to tell other people about it. Now everybody is grim, too busy grinding and "managing their visibility" to show any pleasure.

If it was just me and my friends who were joyless now, I'd chalk it up to us getting old, but my coworkers who are the same age as I was 20 years ago are just as grim if not more so. They're at a point in their career where so much cool stuff is new to them, and they're completely dry and professional about it.

For example, I was in a huddle with a coworker, and we needed something from a parquet file. My coworker said he might have time later to write a script to extract the information, and I was like, "No, check this out!" and I started up duckdb and had the answer in under a minute. My coworker's response was just a monotone, "I've never seen that before. It looks useful." Not "whoa, cool!" or even a simple "nice." It was almost like he felt worse for knowing it existed.

It makes me look around at my coworkers and wonder if everybody could possibly be as miserable as they look and sound? And if so, why?

Re: My daughter (7 years old) used HTML to make a website

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Post by globular-toast »

volkadav wrote: post #158

it's good to see a little person having fun with all this technocrap that us grognards have gotten so bitter about over the years/decades. :) i hope she continues to have a blast! (from the dedication page in SICP:) “I think that it’s extraordinarily important that we in computer science keep fun in computing. When it started out, it was an awful lot of fun. Of course, the paying customers got shafted every now and t…

I hope we can keep it alive. The latest volume of Knuth is full of puzzles, which is wonderful. But then I see the other top thread on HN where people are whining that they aren't getting paid more than 99.9% of the population for sitting at a desk solving problems all day. Sometimes I think those people don't deserve to be doing this job.

Re: My daughter (7 years old) used HTML to make a website

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Post by heavyset_go »

marvstazar wrote: post #221

I suggest you back up the HTML files as a record of her work when she was still a child, it will be a family treasure in the future :) You can even add it under your family's domain for safekeeping.

Do this before it gets the GeoCities treatment. I regret not making backups of things I made as a kid.

Re: My daughter (7 years old) used HTML to make a website

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Post by vladxyz »

xenadu02 wrote: post #368
volkadav wrote: post #158

it's good to see a little person having fun with all this technocrap that us grognards have gotten so bitter about over the years/decades. :) i hope she continues to have a blast! (from the dedication page in SICP:) “I think that it’s extraordinarily important that we in computer science keep fun in computing. When it started out, it was an awful lot of fun. Of course, the paying customers got shafted every now and t…

When some people were proposing Swift remove the ability to use Emoji in variable names this was my reply: > It’s hella presumptuous to decide that I’m not allowed to express whimsy, frustration, humor, or any other emotions in my code. Or to tell an 8 year old using Playgrounds on the iPad that he/she can’t name a variable :pig: purely because they find it funny. We don’t have to squash the joy out of everything.

As soon as I realized I could have emoji in bash function names I did a thing[0] with it. It breaks shellcheck, annoys people who I try to convince to use it, but it makes me very happy.

[0] https://code.ofvlad.xyz/v/lightning-runner

Re: My daughter (7 years old) used HTML to make a website

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Post by recursive »

jraph wrote: post #380
pvorb wrote: post #329

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you want to remove the semantics of table elements, you could set a role="presentation" attribute on all table-related tags. I'm wondering what HTML semantics enthusiasts will say about this. ;-)

You almost got me. After all why not? So I had to go read stuff, and think more about it than I would have. So thanks for this. So: is probably mostly fine, but not great, and not good practice. The ARIA spec [1] says: > 2. Notes on ARIA Use in HTML > 2.1 First Rule of ARIA Use > If you can use a native HTML element [HTML51] or attribute with the semantics and behavior you require already built in, instead of re-purp…

> why use tables when you can use display:table, CSS Flexbox or CSS Grid?

The benefit would be that the author can understand how to use it better.

Re: My daughter (7 years old) used HTML to make a website

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Post by skgough »

tannhaeuser wrote: post #361
skgough wrote: post #286

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I agree with you, but for shits and giggles, to modify this to be evangelist compliant, you could write this instead: Which isn't much more complicated, and makes it clearer what's going on. I wonder if there is a transpiler like Elm that could take a single file written in a simplified language and gave you an HTML5 compliant webpage? You could argue that all the XML-but-not-actually-XML crap in HTML (angle brackets…

Are you serious? Embedding a language (CSS) into the string literals of another one (HTML) is of course much more complicated, and needlessly so. Also, there's nothing XML-but-not-actually about HTML. Both HTML and XML are derived from SGML.

The kid doesn't have to know that's it's CSS, and `style="background: url('animals.jpg')"` is more clear than just `background` because it explicitly states that this a networked resource that is being retrieved with the url() function. If you tried to set the `background` attribute to "blue" it wouldn't do anything, because you have to use the `bgcolor` attribute to color the background of the page. But the `background` property in CSS is a shorthand, so you can set it to a named X11 color, or a gradient, or an image file, and these all work.

The `` element spans the width of it's container, is only as tall as it's content, and only centers the content contained inside it horizontally, but this isn't immediately obvious just from looking at the element's name. Using `text-align: center` instead is a much more obvious way to describe what the `` element is actually doing.

Yes, this is more complicated, but it is more obvious, which, I think, is more useful when someone is learning a complex topic.

Re: My daughter (7 years old) used HTML to make a website

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Post by brewdad »

dkarl wrote: post #381
volkadav wrote: post #158

it's good to see a little person having fun with all this technocrap that us grognards have gotten so bitter about over the years/decades. :) i hope she continues to have a blast! (from the dedication page in SICP:) “I think that it’s extraordinarily important that we in computer science keep fun in computing. When it started out, it was an awful lot of fun. Of course, the paying customers got shafted every now and t…

I miss the fun in software development in the workplace. Something has changed. When I started 20+ years ago, people would get excited about something new they learned and rush to tell other people about it. Now everybody is grim, too busy grinding and "managing their visibility" to show any pleasure. If it was just me and my friends who were joyless now, I'd chalk it up to us getting old, but my coworkers who are th…

Certainly not everyone, but a lot of the people who have entered the field in the past decade are chasing the money. The never had the passion for it but they were and are good at it, so here they are.
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