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Houston-area residents enter sixth day without power, air conditioning

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Re: Houston-area residents enter sixth day without power, air conditioning

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> “Seniors in assisted living and nursing homes should have been more of a priority for power restoration.” That shows a gaping misunderstanding of electricity. For that to be possible in this situation, the assisted living and nursing homes would have to have their own, dedicated power plant that is knocked out by a hurricane, separate from the knocked-out power plants for anything else. Then you prioritize fixing t…

In Europe (at least some countries), all electricity consumers belong to one of 3 categories. E.g. medical facilities are 1 category higher than regular homes.

Each category has their own reliability targets, although I don't think policy specifies how that target is met: separate circuits or a backup generator.

My point -- it's all already known for 50+ years. And I believe it's all must be already done in Texas as well.

Re: Houston-area residents enter sixth day without power, air conditioning

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Here's a comparison of Houston and Rome climates: https://weatherspark.com/compare/y/9247~71779/Comparison-of-... Note the temperature and especially the humidity sections.

I'm commenting on Rome though, my city. Not Houston.

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Re: Houston-area residents enter sixth day without power, air conditioning

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The point is that Houston is both hotter and more humid. People have already died due to heat because of this loss of power. The AC is not a luxury but a necessity .

I'm not commenting on the usage of ac in Houston (albeit it's nonsense to raise a city in such a place) but in Rome.

Perhaps your original comment made it to the wrong post? This article was about the problems Houston is having from power and AC being out for days so people are naturally expecting comments and their ensuing discussion to also relate to this.

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Berlin, Germany is inland, with an elevation average around 34 meters above sea level. The ground soil composition in Berlin is primarily sandy, draining easily and lending itself exceptionally well to underground infrastructure development. Houston, Texas, is coastal and has an elevation that averages around 13 meters above sea level. The ground composition in Houston is primarily made up of clay. Houston soil is no…

you haven't seen the soil drainage pipes of Berlin? They're like a screensaver from the 1990s escaped into the real world.

Do you mean heating pipes? Or construction drainage pipes?

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This is not about insulation but heat capacity.

Heat capacity doesn't mean much unless the walls are several feet thick. The frost line where I live is around 5 feet deep into the ground- meaning that footings for any building have to be that deep to avoid shifting as the ground freezes and thaws. Summer months thick stone walls can be nice if you are able to keep humidity out, but if you don't and your walls actually stay cool you're dealing with a lot of mold an…

"several feet thick."

I don't know how thick a feet is, where we live we don't measure distances by the length of the feet of the king.

But I have lived for 10 years in a house with 30 cm thick walls and it has a tremendously positive effect, when outsite it is 30C and inside the walls are still 20C into July.

"mold and mildew"

Didn't have that problem in 10 years. This more happens with modern insulation than thick stone walls from my experience YMMV.

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When did the explosion of Houston's size and city take place? pre- or post 1945?

A wave in the 60’s for oil & space, then more burbs and exurbs when the bible belters migrated to TX in the 80’s.

https://www.strongtowns.org/

Re: Houston-area residents enter sixth day without power, air conditioning

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I'm getting strong "'No way to prevent this' says only country where this regularly happens" vibes.

I think "vibes" is a new weasel word that subtly absolves the author from any responsibility to connect cause and effect. There's a whole lot more to writing than announcing what "vibes" you get.

I understand what they meant.

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It's not a simple linear scale of regulations and no regulations. EU is arguably more regulated than California, but the regulations here have more sense to them, and arguably higher benefit to cost ratio.

> EU is arguably more regulated than California, but the regulations here have more sense to them, and arguably higher benefit to cost ratio. The last time I checked the EU appeared to be in a full-blown multi-country energy crisis triggered by some of the most stunning displays of regulatory incompetence so far this century. So I would accept that the EU is more regulated but I don't think that is the sort of point…

The EU had an energy crisis because Germany was high on Russian gas, along with most of Central Europe. Thankfully the US took care of that. Southern Europe also has few fossil fuel options if Libya and Algeria decide to align themselves with Russia.

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> The utility is in charge of taking the power from the grid and delivering 110/220V to end customers, i.e. homes and businesses. Sorry to be pedantic, but most US businesses have 208/120V or 480/277V three-phase electrical services. There are some old existing 240/120V three-phase high-leg delta (aka bastard leg) delta services. [0] Delta-wye transformers are the most common type today, that’s where you get the 208/…

> Sorry to be pedantic, but most US businesses have 208/120V or 480/277V three-phase electrical services. Sorry to be pedantic, but define “business”. As someone who’s worked on many job sites doing commercial electrical work, it’s not as common as you imply that there’s three phase service running to a business. Do a lot have it, yes, most, no. Literally everything else you said I’m aligned with.

I sell and run commercial electrical work and I can think of maybe a handful of places I’ve sent electricians that have a single phase service. I live in a large metro area of 4M people, virtually every commercial building over 4-5k sq ft has a three-phase service where I live. Banks, fast food restaurants, gas stations, etc.

What sorts of commercial projects have you worked on that don’t have three phase electrical that are located on commercial or industrial zoned property? Virtually every single multitenant office or light commercial building I’ve ever been in has three-phase.

I guess you could count Jeff’s welding shop in his pole building on his residential property a business, but it’s not commercially zoned property.

I’m skeptical about your claim, I’d wager that more commercial/industrial zoned properties have three-phase than not, based on what I’ve seen across hundreds of customers.

Then again, there’s a lot of small business commercial stuff I ignore because I’m at a union shop and we can’t compete with a one man electrical van when it comes to wiring up a 1500 sq ft nail salon or whatever, there’s no money in that market anyways.

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This wasn't a "grid issue." It is a last-mile issue. It's specifically an issue with the sheer amount of above ground power lines and population density. There is no easy fix, preparation, or practically anything else that can be done to prevent something like this. Plus, what causes the same amount of power outages (wind damage) isn't going to be different between 90mph winds and 150 mph winds. The effects are going…

I don't think the difference between the power grid and the power utility is clear to most people. The grid is a statewide wholesale electricity distribution network which consists of generators, substations and high voltage long distance transmission lines. The utility is in charge of taking the power from the grid and delivering 110/220V to end customers, i.e. homes and businesses. This hurricane caused a lot of da…

In Houston the problems appear to be due to deregulation of the previous HL&P monopoly. If you saw it happen, it was a slow-motion dumpster fire.

I could say a lot more about that later, but the dereg process took so long and was so transparent about what was going to happen (over the course of multiple terms of elected officials and lobbyists), that the split-up into separate corporations was completely gamed before it ever went into effect.

In hindsight you would have to say that the entire purpose of deregulation here was to make it possible to extract more wealth from the same assets and ratepayers than it ever would have been legal before.

Carla was a disaster in the 1960's and by the late '70's the monopoly was still trimming trees and hauling away megatons of branches like nobody has ever seen in recent years. Protecting one of their most valuable assets, the distribution lines themselves. The Texas Public Utility Commission functionally required the power companies to work in favor of the citizens in a way that was completely lost after dereg.

That's when the lines were spun off into a corporation known as Centerpoint, virtually gifted assets to them from the public good, for them to operate as a post-monopoly middleman.

The generator companies and wholesalers are upstream, and the retailers are who ratepayers interact with so it's not designed to be only one middleman. Even though there's now "competition" that did not exist previously.

Centerpoint just transmits the power, so the ratepayer and generator regulations don't apply to the corporation that owns the transmission assets since dereg.

Centerpoint says Beryl is the worst storm they have endured, well Alicia was a direct hit but that was before Centerpoint existed. Yes the bulk of the assets were in lots better shape back then, they were regulated like a single-point-of-failure common-good monopoly should be.

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