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I am a developer, yet I outsource the development of my startup

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Re: I am a developer, yet I outsource the development of my startup

#111

The title should probably mention this is a 2011 post.

Why? The topic isn't time sensitive.

It's not especially time-sensitive, but everything is time-sentisitive to some extent. I think I'm like most people here in assuming by default anything here has just been posted unless there's a year attached.

Re: I am a developer, yet I outsource the development of my startup

#112

On the other hand I'm stuck in outsourcing hell with http://classfrog.com It has been close to a year and we are not even close to launch. It would have taken about 2 weeks for me to do it myself. But I'm in denial.

What are some of the problems you encountered? Why not cut the strings now and finish it on your own?

Re: I am a developer, yet I outsource the development of my startup

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I'm surprised nobody yet mentioned this is a trivial case of a developer who matured enough to be more valuable as a manager. Once you see beyond the odd difference (it's a startup, and he's supervising a guy in Ukraine), it's all the same you see in most developers' careers as they progress.

Some developers won't heed the call and prefer to stay "close to the metal" cause they enjoy it more, and some are genuinely bad at managing. However, very often an experienced developer will benefit a project much more when he can afford to look at the grand scheme of things.

Re: I am a developer, yet I outsource the development of my startup

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I'll share a similar (positive) experience I had a few years ago. I'm not quite what I'd call a developer, but I'm a company founder who's "code savvy". I made the decision to outsource the development of a moderately big PHP project a few years ago -- I went through a LOT of profiles on oDesk and finally settled on a guy (who billed about $30/hr, which was on the high end for non-US guys on oDesk). He was _terrific_…

> My only frustrations were things that, unfortunately, can happen with outsourced work -- timing. My guy was an A developer, but a B/C time manager. So the project took about 2x as long as it should have. So technically, he billed at $60 an hour. And that is the issue with outsourcing. A local guy in your office might have gotten things done in half the time and cost you just as much. There is another issue with tim…

Agreed; but with freelancers search engines like http://jobreapr.com/ there are damn cheap developers with fixed prices to try. YMMV

Re: I am a developer, yet I outsource the development of my startup

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> A local guy in your office might have gotten things done in half the time and cost you just as much. Are you implying than developers working on site are never late? This is far from true. Edit: To the downvoters, please explain, I may be misguided.

> Are you implying than developers working on site are never late? I'm implying that when you factor in the lack of time zone differences, communications issues, and the increased efficiency of having your employee in the same office as you, then you'll probably get the work done in half the time. I didn't even touch the fact that your options domestically are far more expansive if you want to hire a high quality dev…

>I'm implying that when you factor in the lack of time zone differences, communications issues, and the increased efficiency of having your employee in the same office as you, then you'll probably get the work done in half the time.

Even that's only the case if your office is designed for software/creative work. If it's a noisy, open-office plan full of interruptions and distractions, it's no guarantee that on-site software developers will be more productive than someone working remotely from a library or home office or the like.

Re: I am a developer, yet I outsource the development of my startup

#116
Been there, didn't had an awful experience but it wasn't good either, the guy I worked with was a D time manager but I was able to agree to a fixed fee.

Still, a 2 month project became 6 months of constant delays. Can't say being a dev helped, in fact I think being a designer or a biz-dev guy would've been better since we tended to discuss a lot about what to use here and there: the guy was a better coder but I had more experience, and so while he always went for the "just works" solution I for obvious reasons tended to go to the solution that was more future-proof and less of a pain to upgrade.

Non-devs would just say "I want X" and then get something like X, but be ok with it.

Re: I am a developer, yet I outsource the development of my startup

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

OK, but here are your outcomes if you are good at X and need X and Y: You do X, hire Y - You have one skilled person, one question mark. You do Y, hire X - You have one unskilled person, one question mark. Seems pretty simple to me that the first is better. I suppose that you could make the argument that Y may be easy to pick up, but if that's the case it should be all the easier to just hire someone else with a prov…

Just to elaborate what i think stonemetal's point is that. You are good at X. you hire someone to do X. prob. of X being useless <<< prob. of y being useless(if you don't know y and hire for Y)

My thought exactly, those two question marks aren't equal. One I am capable of evaluating, both before and after I hire for the position. The other I am incapable of evaluating both before and after I hire for the position.
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