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Apple Vision Pro U.S. Sales Are All but Dead, Market Analysts Say

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The super-expensive Tesla Model S and X barely sold until the cheaper Model 3 took off. Given that the people who have bought the Vision Pro consider this device revolutionary, this is probably headed on the same trajectory.

I would have gotten one if the DPI for text was as good as a monitor and I didn't need to depend on a MacBook. (I don't watch videos, but I'd love a monitor-less solution for coding on the plane.)

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> how Apple announcing they've cancelled the next Vision Pro to work on a lower cost version is squared up Apple's made no such announcement, and the presence of the "Pro" moniker implies that a non-Pro version has always been planned.

If that is so, then they will probably release it at the same time as Final Cut. :)

iMovie exists. Technically speaking. Ever since they lobotomized it I too have tried hard to forget, but it has an icon and presumably someone finds it useful or at least clicks on it by accident every now and again.

I think zamadatix convinced me that Apple drank their own kool-aid on VR though. That's too bad. I'm sure someone had a bonus large enough to prevent them from seeing straight. Hopefully it doesn't turn into another Scott Forstall situation, where Apple fires them and then it turns out that sins notwithstanding they were the voice of reason when it came to something else. Dammit, it's been a decade and Apple still hasn't given up on the Fisher Price widgets. Ah well. The world spins on.

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> 17.0 is a year old It's the current iOS major version and apps will support this version for years to come. Those who saved blobs with https://github.com/airsquared/blobsaver can freely switch between new and old iOS versions, e.g. if they have a use case which needs https://trollstore.org/ : TrollStore is a tool that allows non-jailbroken iOS users to install and run IPA files without App Store verification. It wo…

So? You can buy an AppDB pro subscription or something similar for $20 a year to do the same thing on newer iOS versions with way less effort. Yes trollstore can do some other things but either way Apple did definitely not intentionally add the core trust but Trollstore uses and it’s more or less irrelevant now tbh

> buy an AppDB pro subscription

Seems legit, https://appdb.to/info/empire-strikes-back

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I remember having conversations here on HN about how the launch of this device would change everything in the field, because only Apple knows the magic sauce, and they always win, or something along those lines. Well, I think they confused Apple with Steve Jobs, yes Jobs had almost a Midas touch regarding product design, especially when given the time to reflect on competition mistakes, and people forget that he also…

> Tim Cook is a different character, his special ability is his uncanny focus on squeezing the supply chain and keeping the money printer churning. Apple Watch, AirPods, Apple Silicon… plenty of great products and services have come out under Cook’s time as CEO. In my lifetime it has been exceedingly rare for Apple to launch a failing product. The company tends to be pretty conservative in what new features and produ…

A couple of iPhone accessories and an extension of the iPhone processor to Macs isn't really making the case for Cook as a "product guy" much less a product genius. His two big swings at the fence, the car and this AVP monstrosity, are both duds. Elsewhere he's just riding Jobs' coat tails.

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#185
No one wants this. It’s a gimmick. Google glass was 2013.

Trick my brain into believing it is in another world. That is what is exciting. This is what your consumers want. An escape from this world into another. Sometimes it’s there, most of the time it’s not.

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Headphones for your eyes. That's the product and its inevitable in some form or another. Its just too early

People don't like stuff on their face. People wear contacts or get surgery to avoid wearing glasses. People don't like stuff on their face. I paid for college working in the eyeglass industry and it's nearly universal that people "wish they didn't have to wear glasses". People don't like stuff on their face.

> People don't like stuff on their face.

If there's one thing we were able to learn with 100% certainty over the last couple years, it is this. I still think it'll have to be transparent, or at least Google Glass like, to achieve mass adoption.

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I already work reclined. But not strapped into goggles that isolate me from my environment and the people around me.

Then you know how crazy expensive it is to have to mount one or more monitors above you, hanging from some kind of support. And like I said, isolation while working is actually kind of a feature, when you're deep in productive work. Just think of all the people who wear noise-cancelling headphones in offices to tune out the distracting environment. I don't want to use it for video calls or while multitasking, but for…

I've got a dual-monitor desk mount that can tilt ±40°, allwoing for easy reclined use[1]. $156 MSRP, hardly "crazy expensive" compared to a $3500 Vision Pro, even counting the monitors and computer.

[1] https://www.madebygabor.com/product/16666/Gabor-DM_552-Levit...

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> Tim Cook is a different character, his special ability is his uncanny focus on squeezing the supply chain and keeping the money printer churning. Apple Watch, AirPods, Apple Silicon… plenty of great products and services have come out under Cook’s time as CEO. In my lifetime it has been exceedingly rare for Apple to launch a failing product. The company tends to be pretty conservative in what new features and produ…

A couple of iPhone accessories and an extension of the iPhone processor to Macs isn't really making the case for Cook as a "product guy" much less a product genius. His two big swings at the fence, the car and this AVP monstrosity, are both duds. Elsewhere he's just riding Jobs' coat tails.

“Tim Cook isn’t Steve Jobs” isn’t the greatest argument, and it wouldn’t be one I would make because clearly Tim Cook isn’t a product guy of the same caliber as Steve Jobs, but under Cook Apple has performed extraordinarily well, and they’ve introduced some great products along the way and continued to improve those as well. I don’t think that makes him only a “supply chain” and “money printer” guy. This is just a trope that’s been repeated since he took over.

I’d also challenge you in your comparison about the Apple Car and Apple Vision Pro, because one of those were actual products that shipped to market, and even so the Apple Vision Pro hasn’t been out very long so it’s not really fair to say it has failed or that it was a dud. It could be, but I think if so it’s less so to do with the price and more so to do with the AR/VR industry itself being a dud.

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> i've never had a VR/AR experience anywhere close What VR experiences have you had? I was not impressed at all. Have had a Rift since they launched. Rift-S, Quest 2, Quest 3, PSVR, PSVR2. Nothing about the Vision Pro did anything for me. The "try to hold your eyes still to point" is the worst possible UX interaction I've ever used. Super un-natural and un-intuitive. That's not how my eyes work. I knew that the first…

I mean the actual AR experience, every other headset i've used is so janky and can't persist objects enough to actually immerse you. AVP windows I've actually attempted to avoid while walking because my brain forgets they aren't real after a little bit

Maybe my confusion was you wrote VR/AR instead of just AR.

Though even then, while visually the Vision Pro does better then the Quest 3 at AR, the interactions leave a lot to be desired. AR (and VR) make me want to reach out and touch things. But when I tried, instead of letting me interact by touching it required me to "stare and hold eyes perfectly still and then tap fingers somewhere not on the thing I actually wanted to interact with"

Like if an app window is close enough to touch then I just want to touch it like a giant floating touch screen. Not "stare and tap pants".

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Yep my daily use for this is just using it as a mac os x external display

Genuinely asking — do you work outside an office a lot and/or travel with it?

Don't work outside a lot, but do travel with it. If you mean travel while wearing it no, because the fact that it's a video camera makes me uneasy about it possibly shutting off at any moment and rendering me blind + the low battery life. I have worked out in my office gym wearing it and that was nice
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