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Speed limiters now mandatory in all new EU cars

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Re: Speed limiters now mandatory in all new EU cars

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Post by bigfudge »

ars wrote: post #79
shortrounddev2 wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This uses GPS data, not optical recognition

The article said it uses optical recognition. And in any case GPS is not accurate enough for this. If you drive an access road right near a freeway GPS can not tell which one your are on. GPS also doesn't work in many downtowns because of the tall buildings.

GPS plus mapping/routing software with some idea of how roads connect would get you a long way though. Even Strava and similar apps do this for trails which are close but not connected.

Re: Speed limiters now mandatory in all new EU cars

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Post by giantrobot »

kodt wrote: post #70
VyseofArcadia wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed that the general case is hard to solve. I think you could at least make a case for solving a simpler problem. What's the highest legal speed limit in the country in which the car was sold? Set a global speed limit to that.

This could make it impossible or dangerous to pass in many situations where it may be necessary to temporarily exceed the speed limit.

Good regulation would only mandate a driver warning. If you exceed the highest speed of any highway in the area, you get some audible/visual warning. In the case of you speeding but not realizing it you just ease up on the accelerator. In the case of needing to pass you just deal with an annoying beep for a few seconds.

Reducing control authority in a vehicle is very dangerous. It's difficult to make it obvious control authority is reduced. It also falls down in every corner case where the prohibited action is in fact necessary.

Re: Speed limiters now mandatory in all new EU cars

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Post by mikestew »

shortrounddev2 wrote: post #57
oneepic wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would have to guess you can't speed up to pass another vehicle (think bus or truck, or maybe a dangerous situation) and then you will piss off anyone in the fast lane who does not have these limiters.

Cant speak to europe, but in the US you're not supposed to speed up past the speed limit to pass someone, that's illegal. We also don't have "fast lanes" (ie like how the autobahn has sections with no speed limit), we only have passing lanes, but the speed limit still applies in the passing lane. You're not supposed to stay in the left lane for very long

Not true in the state of WA: https://app.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=46.61.425

Only applies to two-lane roads.

Re: Speed limiters now mandatory in all new EU cars

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Post by novagameco »

stavros wrote: post #63

Leaving aside the concerns about the tech not working well, I'm really not a fan of this pre-crime stuff. This feels very Big Brother, where someone (or some system) is watching over you so you don't break any laws. Things like this lead to cultural ossification and are a nightmare scenario for me.

But on the highway they are watching over you so you don't break any laws. They have police officers who patrol the highways and traffic cameras. If this had any implications on people's basic human rights, I might agree but driving is a privilege, not a right.

Re: Speed limiters now mandatory in all new EU cars

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Post by novagameco »

umvi wrote: post #135
stavros wrote: post #63

Leaving aside the concerns about the tech not working well, I'm really not a fan of this pre-crime stuff. This feels very Big Brother, where someone (or some system) is watching over you so you don't break any laws. Things like this lead to cultural ossification and are a nightmare scenario for me.

One possible future includes one or more of: - AI guns that won't shoot at other people, only authorized in-season animals. - AI keyboards that won't let you type "hate speech" - AI browsers that only let you visit approved, legal sites. - AI smartphones that contact the police if you are breaking curfew, trespassing, recording unauthorized (copyrighted) public or audio, etc.

> - AI guns that won't shoot at other people, only authorized in-season animals.

That sounds like a legitimately good idea, why would you need a gun that shoots people

Re: Speed limiters now mandatory in all new EU cars

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Post by bluefirebrand »

croes wrote: post #141
gruturo wrote: post #18

This is terrifying. I routinely cross a bridge with a 30ton weight limit, which my car mistakes for a 30km/h speed limit sign. I would cause an average of 2 accidents per month if I suddenly slowed from 70 to 30 and the people behind me weren't paying attention. The technology is _not_ there and this won't save lives, potentially it will cause deaths. (Yes I read the article, this is initially only "for the driver's…

>or a speed control function in which the speed of the vehicle will be gradually reduced. Not suddenly, gradually.

It still turns you into a road hazard and puts you in a dangerous situation

How about we don't take control away from the people in the driver seat

If we can't trust them to operate the vehicle then we should not be letting them operate the vehicle

We cannot solve the problem of terrible driver training with tech

Re: Speed limiters now mandatory in all new EU cars

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Post by gambiting »

zehaeva wrote: post #134
kodt wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This could make it impossible or dangerous to pass in many situations where it may be necessary to temporarily exceed the speed limit.

So if every car is following the speed limit, that is going as fast as they are allowed, why would any one person be passing someone else?

In most EU countries(and UK) you have different speed limits based on the class of the vehicle.

So for example in the UK on a single lane road a regular car can go 60mph, a car towing a trailer can only go 50mph, but a heavy goods vehicle(over 7.5 tonnes) can only go 40mph.

So on most roads that aren't dual carriageways you constantly encounter a situation where everyone is driving at their top legal speed limit but there is still a need to overtake vehicles.

Re: Speed limiters now mandatory in all new EU cars

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Post by Swizec »

Symbiote wrote: post #125
Swizec wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My experience of learning to drive in Europe is that there are roads where the speed limit is 90kph but any non-local sane person will drive 60kph (most mountain roads) and there are roads where the limit is 130kph but regular traffic flows at 140kph and many people cruise (safely) at 150kph. The people actually doing 130kph on the left lane (trucks go 90 on the right) can be a safety hazard. And like others have sai…

> the laws actually say "speed limit unless passing". None that I'm aware of in Europe say this. Which country are you describing?

It's what I was told in driver's ed. Maybe assuming that they're only teaching me how to drive by-the-book was wrong.

Re: Speed limiters now mandatory in all new EU cars

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Post by kivle »

gruturo wrote: post #18

This is terrifying. I routinely cross a bridge with a 30ton weight limit, which my car mistakes for a 30km/h speed limit sign. I would cause an average of 2 accidents per month if I suddenly slowed from 70 to 30 and the people behind me weren't paying attention. The technology is _not_ there and this won't save lives, potentially it will cause deaths. (Yes I read the article, this is initially only "for the driver's…

There's a tunnel in my town where my Tesla hard breaks 3 separate places if I'm on cruise control / auto pilot. If this legislation will force this to happen even outside of auto pilot it will be "great" for sure...

Re: Speed limiters now mandatory in all new EU cars

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Post by monort »

This law makes an intelligent speed limiter mandatory to be present in a car, but it does not currently require it to be activated. The software for road sign recognition is currently of poor quality, making a mandatory system impractical.

https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=PI_...

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