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Speed limiters now mandatory in all new EU cars

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Re: Speed limiters now mandatory in all new EU cars

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Post by leephillips »

EricE wrote: post #64
scoot wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apparently you didn't. The most proactive method is "a speed control function in which the speed of the vehicle will be gradually reduced", and "the system can be smoothly overridden by the driver by pressing the accelerator pedal a little bit deeper", so your hyperbolic reaction is overwrought.

Is it though? When has government regulation ever decreased? Give them an inch...

Government regulation is constantly decreased. Weed is now legal in most US states for recreational use (I think; at any rate, many of them). The recent US Supreme Court Chevron decision will, for better or worse, probably lead to significant deregulation.

Re: Speed limiters now mandatory in all new EU cars

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Post by ars »

croes wrote: post #23
bowmessage wrote: post #13

Hopefully the EU's right to repair allows consumers to fix their cars by removing this malware.

If you have relatives who got killed by a speeder you may think differently.

The slight speed increase that ordinary people do does not kill people.

We aren't talking about people going freeway speed in a residential area.

Re: Speed limiters now mandatory in all new EU cars

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Post by gwbas1c »

Honestly, I think it makes more sense to start with limiting cars somewhere around 90-110MPH; IE, the fastest that anyone would ever drive on a public road.

Where I live, speed limits are routinely set artificially low due to a cultural belief that rules are meant to be broken. IE, if the safest speed is 75MPH, then the speed limit is set to 55MPH because everyone will break the rule. If the limit was really 75MPH, then everyone would drive faster.

I do think we need frank discussions about what is a safe speed to drive, and the general public's tolerance for risk, before "speed limit aware" limiters are commonplace. Otherwise, these just smell like a scheme from an "enthusiastic rule follower" to try force unneeded rules when these rules don't need to exist.

Re: Speed limiters now mandatory in all new EU cars

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Post by Tade0 »

gwbas1c wrote: post #38
shortrounddev2 wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This uses GPS data, not optical recognition

From TFA: > Cars have been able to figure out when they're speeding for a while, thanks to GPS as well as traffic sign recognition

This is going to lead to some backpedaling.

On one stretch of ring road (120km/h limit) my car consistently catches 80km/h signs set up for the exit roads.

Re: Speed limiters now mandatory in all new EU cars

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Post by cogman10 »

VyseofArcadia wrote: post #25
gambiting wrote: post #9

This is one example of legislation that mandates fantasy tech that doesn't exist. You'd think that something as simple as speed limiter should be very easy to implement, and it couldn't be further from the truth - watch any review of a car with this tech and every reviewer will complain that it's not the presence of the system that's the problem, it's the fact that it constantly gets the speed limit wrong. Either rea…

Agreed that the general case is hard to solve. I think you could at least make a case for solving a simpler problem. What's the highest legal speed limit in the country in which the car was sold? Set a global speed limit to that.

> What's the highest legal speed limit in the country in which the car was sold? Set a global speed limit to that.

Bad move. Particularly because scenarios where lanes end somewhat unexpectedly are not uncommon (think construction). Further, legislation can change the highest legal speed limit at the drop of a hat. It's the "why are timezones so hard" problem times 10.

Re: Speed limiters now mandatory in all new EU cars

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Post by rsingel »

baggy_trough wrote: post #50

Our accursed state senator Wiener is trying to bring the same thing to California.

Love it and love Wiener. One of the most effective legislators in California.

Speed limiters/governors are way past due and will save lives and help make streets more liveable

Re: Speed limiters now mandatory in all new EU cars

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Post by umvi »

onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #42
gruturo wrote: post #18

This is terrifying. I routinely cross a bridge with a 30ton weight limit, which my car mistakes for a 30km/h speed limit sign. I would cause an average of 2 accidents per month if I suddenly slowed from 70 to 30 and the people behind me weren't paying attention. The technology is _not_ there and this won't save lives, potentially it will cause deaths. (Yes I read the article, this is initially only "for the driver's…

Literally everything causes death. The question is: will this prevent more deaths from speeding than it causes from mistaken slowdowns?

> The question is: will this prevent more deaths [than the alternative]

I hate that question. It's pure utilitarianism and is used all the time to rationalize removing/limiting freedoms in exchange for safety and security. Deaths prevented should not be the ultimate metric unless a totalitarian police state that keeps everyone perfectly safe at all times is the desired end goal.

In this case I would rather have the freedom to intentionally speed (because I need to get my wife to the hospital more quickly, because I'm in the middle of nowhere and want to, or any other reason I deem rational) than be marginally more "safe" thanks to my vehicle nannying me.

Re: Speed limiters now mandatory in all new EU cars

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Post by cogman10 »

kodt wrote: post #70
VyseofArcadia wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed that the general case is hard to solve. I think you could at least make a case for solving a simpler problem. What's the highest legal speed limit in the country in which the car was sold? Set a global speed limit to that.

This could make it impossible or dangerous to pass in many situations where it may be necessary to temporarily exceed the speed limit.

Especially when you get a jackass that speeds up because you are passing them.

Re: Speed limiters now mandatory in all new EU cars

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Post by alfalfasprout »

croes wrote: post #23
bowmessage wrote: post #13

Hopefully the EU's right to repair allows consumers to fix their cars by removing this malware.

If you have relatives who got killed by a speeder you may think differently.

Crashing into another person is the problem-- not that they were speeding. Unless they were driving recklessly in a congested area in which case this would do nothing to help.

Re: Speed limiters now mandatory in all new EU cars

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Post by [deleted] »

gruturo wrote: post #18

This is terrifying. I routinely cross a bridge with a 30ton weight limit, which my car mistakes for a 30km/h speed limit sign. I would cause an average of 2 accidents per month if I suddenly slowed from 70 to 30 and the people behind me weren't paying attention. The technology is _not_ there and this won't save lives, potentially it will cause deaths. (Yes I read the article, this is initially only "for the driver's…

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