Apple okays Epic Games marketplace app in Europe

> There are plenty of great PWAs. People bring them up on a regular basis and you piss and moan when we say

1. Funny how "on a regular basis" only comes after prodding these people multiple times, pointing out Android and desktop exists, and wading through numerous complaints how no, it's not true, and Apple prevents PWAs from existing.

Even in this discussion instead of naming PWAs right off the bat you first pretended that Android isn't dominant, and completely ignored Chrome dominance

2. It's also funny how "the amazing great PWAs" are inevitably not that great, are they?

Instead of being great and amazing they are just... "usable online". Each of those significantly much better as native apps. Without fail most of them would be much faster, fluid, less janky and resource-hungry if they were just static sites with links instead of ... whatever they are. Oh yes, they are usable.

> clearly they exist and you're trying to minimize the number of apps that technically qualify.

"Technically qualify". That's a great turn of phrase you used there.

So, we went from "boohoo limits the viability of non-native apps on its mobile devices" to "usable online" and "technically qualify".

I, for one, don't want to use apps that "technically qualify". I want actual fast fluid non-janky and non-resource hungry apps that are a joy to use even if they are the most mundane apps out there. That is precisely why I keep asking: given that Android dominates mobile space, and Chrome dominates desktop platforms, how come the best examples you can come up with barely "technically qualify"?

> People refuse to take you seriously when you repeat this same tautology.

People refuse to accept PWA fanatics when they keep saying grand words with very little to back them app. All you can do is complain about Apple.

> Of course PWAs aren't popular on platforms that deliberately go out of their way

You'd think that PWAs would be great and amazing on platforms that don't have any real or perceived limitations. And yet, all you can come up with is "usable online" and "technically qualify". But sure, do keep complaining how it's Apple who's preventing you from building great native-like experiences on the web.

> Of course PWAs aren't popular on platforms that deliberately go out of their way

Strange how we went from "The web is absolutely more than good enough for the vast majority of apps" to "majority of mobile gaming apps."

> I've seen you repeat this phrase over and over again like a mantra on HN, but without examples

I mean, almost every single web "app" out there suffers from this. The DOM isn't built for highly dynamic interactive applications. It's a system to deliver static text and images.

> What are some examples of popular apps that you think require the full brunt of a modern chip?

Now you're pretending I said something I didn't.

However, it's funny how the amazing fast web sites that are more than enough for the majority of apps struggle with even the most basic tasks even on maxed out machines. I mean, Slack's app needs up to 20% of CPU even on an M* Mac (last I tried it was M1 Max IIRC) to render a few animated emojis.

It's a single example, but it's quite representative of the state of the Web.

I want that too. But you know, there are apps in my country, banking apps, payments apps which are literally essential now as public service. They ask for every permission under the sun and don't function if you don't provide them those permissions which are often contact read, SMS read, and definitely location read - on Android. On Apple? Ah, works just fine without any permission otherwise Apple won't approve those apps. Heck, I have used TrueCaller with zero permission. I don't want to lose this freedom to be honest, as much as I despise Apple's user and other-business hostility.

> So suffice to say, their whole security scheme leaves a bit to be desired.

Indeed, but always was it so, and always will it be.

Also, that story is exactly what I mean when I say that what Apple does is, despite the flaws, still better than nothing: you can't pull a fake app hosted on its own website — you might not even be able to go after the host or the domain registry without a court order, and even then the country in which they are based may not be on good terms with your own and may not care about that order.

The analogy here would be using a headline of the police arresting a criminal to say "this shows that the idea of using a police force to prevent crime leaves a bit to be desired". Yes, and?

There are non-predatory IAPs. :)