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Apple okays Epic Games marketplace app in Europe

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Re: Apple okays Epic Games marketplace app in Europe

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Apple needs to be heavily taxed and regulated into operating their devices like general computers free of their authoritarianism

Why? You can buy an Android, or one of its derivatives, or a Huawei.

Android is far less pleasant to use and much of my app ecosystem lives on iOS.

Re: Apple okays Epic Games marketplace app in Europe

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> If I need security, I buy anti-virus. But I can't opt out of Apples "security". I don't see that as a good thing. If apple wanted to offer that at checkout, I wouldn't mind at all. I can't opt out of the police. I can opt out of Apple's security by using literally any other brand of phone. > Worst case scenario, I backup all my stuff. No, the worse-case scenario is that malware knows everything you look at and ever…

What argument is there not to apply the same gatekeeping policy to macOS, then?

Historical inertia.

macOS has implemented code signing and only allowing apps from the App Store or trusted developers as default for quite a while now but people still find a way to turn it off or bypass it and then get infected by malware/spyware/adware. Because it's expected that you can run any app on a desktop/laptop platform though, they can't just fully restrict it, and it shows.

Re: Apple okays Epic Games marketplace app in Europe

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That third party app stores are subject to review by apple is a problem in itself.

It's Apple blatantly violating the Digital Markets Act, because it thinks it is above the law (and to be fair, in the USA, it is). The EU has acknowledged this and is currently preparing a truly massive punishment for Apple. Apple, being unaccustomed to having rules apply to it, seems to be ignoring this.

Time for Apple to start donating to Trump's campaign.

Re: Apple okays Epic Games marketplace app in Europe

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> if it's too much, they will just pull out of the EU and sell to Europeans via online only This doesn’t exempt them from the law. Apple is never giving up the EU.

> This doesn’t exempt them from the law. Sure it does. If they leave the EU market and have no presence, then EU laws can't reach them. > Apple is never giving up the EU. I would normally agree, but if EU fines surpass the profit Apple can make in the EU, they might.

If Apple leaves they are handing the keys to Google and Chinaphones.

Re: Apple okays Epic Games marketplace app in Europe

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post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's Apple blatantly violating the Digital Markets Act, because it thinks it is above the law (and to be fair, in the USA, it is). The EU has acknowledged this and is currently preparing a truly massive punishment for Apple. Apple, being unaccustomed to having rules apply to it, seems to be ignoring this.

Time for Apple to start donating to Trump's campaign.

No US party is going to punish Apple. It's the EU that is. Perhaps it will donate to the AfD.

Re: Apple okays Epic Games marketplace app in Europe

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I mean, if it's too much, they will just pull out of the EU and sell to Europeans via online only. EU citizens will still be Apple customers, just without any EU protections. To be fair, the EU is being a bit ridiculous sometimes. Apple decided not to compete in the EU because of the restrictions, and the EU seemingly wanted to penalize that decision also.

They haven't pulled out from China with all their... domestic requirements. I doubt they're gonna pull from the EU.

Apple even continue to follow all Russia demands even though they only sell subscriptions there and accept payments on App Store. E.g few days ago they removed VPN apps from App Store due to demands of Russian government.

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"free to go anywhere else" is doing a lot of heavy lifting in a state/province with 2 "cities". Google isn't being hit as hard by the DMA, but they didn't get off scot-free either.

But you can sideload on Android no? I've sideloaded a few apps that I needed and there really are no problems.

Try it without having Google services on that phone. Most apps and especially the essential ones are dependent on unmodified phones with Google services.

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What argument is there not to apply the same gatekeeping policy to macOS, then?

Historical inertia. macOS has implemented code signing and only allowing apps from the App Store or trusted developers as default for quite a while now but people still find a way to turn it off or bypass it and then get infected by malware/spyware/adware. Because it's expected that you can run any app on a desktop/laptop platform though, they can't just fully restrict it, and it shows.

If "historical inertia" is the only thing keeping macOS a general purpose computing platform, that is extremely troubling. Because it means Apple will not hesitate to lock it down in the future if it's able (e.g. through subversion of notarization).

To me, this is one of the main reasons to fight for an open iOS: if people get accustomed to corporations revoking access to their software for arbitrary reasons, and if the technology exists allowing them to easily do so, then the gradual introduction of these measures to PC platforms will be met with a collective shrug.

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Microsoft was actually abusing their dominance in a criminal way to stop competition. The situation is far from comparable.

Hmm. So can I publish and let users download my iOS application without being harassed by Apple? Because on Windows and MacOS I can do that.

Microsoft was demanding from PC sellers that they do not offer customers other operating systems if they wanted to keep their business with Microsoft. Which is blatantly anti-competitive and an abuse. The equivalent would be Apple demanding that software makers do not offer their apps on Android or PC devices if they want to sell on the App Store.

Any software maker is free to sell on any non-Apple device without Apple saying a word.

Re: Apple okays Epic Games marketplace app in Europe

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Why? You can buy an Android, or one of its derivatives, or a Huawei.

Android is far less pleasant to use and much of my app ecosystem lives on iOS.

iOS is far less pleasant to use and much of my app ecosystem lives on Android.
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