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Re: Living in a Lucid Dream

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Post by saghm »

aym62SAE49CZ684 wrote: post #74
saghm wrote: post #25

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It's testing the perception of reading numbers representing time while falling at a high speed and then bouncing a bit suspended off of a cliff or bridge or something. It's not obvious to me how you could conclude that the inability to read the numbers could be due to reading being hard when plummeting several hundred feet rather than due to any perception of time; if the experiment was trying to test whether the slo…

All objective observations of time involve reading numbers. You can't test subjective perception. Ok ok, so the experiment actually just tested whether an individual frame of a high frame rate display could be read while while falling. Since it could not, we do not have objective evidence for the subjective "time slowing down" experience. We just know that there was no difference from the control, i.e. subjects were…

> All objective observations of time involve reading numbers. You can't test subjective perception.

Not all experiments testing the perception of time require the person undergoing the experiment to read the time themselves, though.

> Sure, maybe stressful conditions make it harder to read, but then again the watch is stationary with respect to the eye while falling.

My point wasn't that the stress could cause it to be harder to read, but that the physical act of falling could cause it. The experiment intended to test if a psychological phenomenon (the slowed perception of time) could be caused by a certain psychological cause (stress), but they tested it in a way where both the cause _and_ the effect could be unrelated to their testing; we don't even know if falling makes it physically harder to read independent of stress, so I don't know how you can conclude anything psychologically about what might be going on. The watch being stationary relative to the eye also doesn't rule out vision impairment regardless of what's being looked at; the strain on the eyes from the air rushing by could be enough to make it hard to see clearly.

Re: Living in a Lucid Dream

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Post by Toorkit »

Janicc wrote: post #30
romseb wrote: post #20

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As a child, for a few years I had a recurring nightmare with multiple false awakenings, sometimes five or six until I would wake up for real. I would wake up in bed, get up and at a specific point, an overwhelming feeling of impending doom would overcome me. Then at the peak of this emotion, a monster would grab me by my ankles and violently drag me back up the stairs and into bed. I would then wake up and repeat the…

I had a dream like that a few months ago. Woke up around 5 times in my supposed bed. Each wakeup became more and more realistic but there was always something out of place like my lamp suddenly not being there or my door being open which then would make me "wake up" again. I was pretty damn conscious/lucid by the last wakeup but I didn't realize I was dreaming until I turned on the light, turned on the TV, switched t…

> Luckily then I actually woke up for real.

Or did you? Wake up Janicc, it's still 1999, we miss you.

Re: Living in a Lucid Dream

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Post by 7thaccount »

ajuc wrote: post #67
shostack wrote: post #34

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Similar to my experience. I also find my control of my body is still somewhat linked to my real body. For example, one way of maintaining and strengthening the lucid experience is supposedly spinning around in place with your arms spread. When I do that, I find a dream sensation that feels a bit like my arms trying to move out from under my pillow or caught in the sheets. I then wake up shortly after that. Other time…

I hurt my hand once when I had a dream I was playing basketball and I woke up in the middle of throwing a 3-pointer - so I "jumped" and raised my hands in my bed and hit my hand against the wall. > Mostly I can get a small hop glide for flying I can do that very often in dreams, even when I don't realize I'm dreaming and the dream is about something completely different - somehow I often remember that it's a "superpo…

I sometimes fly in dreams by slowly flapping my arms like a bird. It's a little depressing when I wake up and realize I can't really do this.

Re: Living in a Lucid Dream

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Post by altruios »

bibelo wrote: post #77
altruios wrote: post #29

The way I lucid dream is to 'stay awake' through the process of falling asleep. There are a few tricks I use... but I don't recommend the experience (It can be... uncomfortable {there is a reason you don't remember the point you loose consciousness}). I don't know if these are universally applicable tricks either. But focusing on a point (visualizing it as actively as you can) seems to be important to staying awake t…

What are your tricks? Usually Wake-Initiated Lucid Dream involves remaining completely static, to make your body believe it's sleeping. Never worked for me.

Yep. During the first parts of sleep your body locks to prevent you from acting out your dreams. Here are a few:

When your body locks up, test it. try to use as much force as you can without 'breaking' that lock... it keeps you in the present moment and 'close to being able to move'...

The standard: focus on your breathing is also applicable.

What has helped the most is imagining a dot, and moving that dot around, changing its color, moving it along the z-direction (closer). Focusing your mind on that keeps it active.

Re: Living in a Lucid Dream

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Post by JeremyNT »

ElDji wrote: post #24
crazygringo wrote: post #15

I frequently have lucid dreams, in that I'm entirely aware of that fact that I'm dreaming while in the dream. What I find interesting, however, is that if I have a dream I forgot to study for my test, or I'm naked at school because I left my clothes somewhere else, or the school play starts tonight and I haven't memorized a single line... the fact that I know I'm dreaming doesn't help at all . Because the problem is…

When I have lucid dream, I know that i'm sleeping in my bed (street location, city) and which day of week it is. So I have access to real life knowledge. So I believe there is different level of lucidity, depending on each individuals.

Yes, I used to practice lucid dreaming and parent post's description is different than what I experienced. When entering the lucid state I was similarly fully (or nearly fully) context aware.

My problem was always maintaining the lucid state. Doing anything to change the dream risked awakening early and I never got great at maintaining the state for long.

Re: Living in a Lucid Dream

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Post by zw123456 »

I have been lucid dreaming for many years and about five years ago, I started keeping my tablet on the nightstand and when I wake up, if I remember it, which I generally do, I use speech to text to record it. If I don't do that I often forget them. I have categories, the movie type are like 3rd person and it plays out like I am watching a movie. A ride along dream is like first person, I feel like I am riding along with someone else, but I know it's not me, but I know their thoughts. The me dream is when I am me in the dream. Some of them repeat multiple times over several nights In all cases I know I am dreaming. I started turning some of them into short stories. No idea where some of them come from. Often it seems like I just tuned into someone's story, but the subconscious is a funny thing.

Re: Living in a Lucid Dream

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Post by hosh »

codeflo wrote: post #75
hosh wrote: post #71

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I think that depends upon the dream space you find yourself in. If it is an internal dream space for yourself, you tend to have more control (if you do have control). However, I've been in many shared spaces that have varying rules on how much things can be changed. Many of them are what I describe as "sim" spaces. There are also spaces where it is procedurally-generated -- for example, deliberately taking a path you…

Serious question, do you need help?

Why would you think I need help?

Re: Living in a Lucid Dream

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Post by aym62SAE49CZ684 »

saghm wrote: post #81
aym62SAE49CZ684 wrote: post #74

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All objective observations of time involve reading numbers. You can't test subjective perception. Ok ok, so the experiment actually just tested whether an individual frame of a high frame rate display could be read while while falling. Since it could not, we do not have objective evidence for the subjective "time slowing down" experience. We just know that there was no difference from the control, i.e. subjects were…

> All objective observations of time involve reading numbers. You can't test subjective perception. Not all experiments testing the perception of time require the person undergoing the experiment to read the time themselves, though. > Sure, maybe stressful conditions make it harder to read, but then again the watch is stationary with respect to the eye while falling. My point wasn't that the stress could cause it to…

The hypothesis here is that bungee jumping -> stress -> slowed perception of time -> increased ocular frame rate -> increased ability to perceive short frames. It's either difficult or impossible to properly test for stress, perception, and ocular frame rate (whatever that's called), so you use the ends of the chain.

If you get a positive result with your wacky experiment, then you go back and control for confounding variables. If you get a negative result, you can't really conclude anything other than you need more grant money to do some other click bait.

This is just how the business of science works. It's sort of like the economy. You try a bunch of random things as quickly as possible and follow up on what looks promising. Or, like in this case, you just try to do click bait and you skip even really bothering with delivering value at all. It's stupid and I don't like it either.

Re: Living in a Lucid Dream

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Post by wruza »

pegasus wrote: post #61
liendolucas wrote: post #44

Surprised to see that a lot of people experience lucid dreams. Are there any solid techniques to trigger them?

Lots. The internet is full of them. Most center around making a habit of periodically doing a "reality check" throughout the day, like reading a word from a note and then re-reading it to check whether it changed or not. I carried a note saying "Wake up!" in the pocket and after a few days of maybe a dozen checks a day, the check (like all daily habits) occurred in a dream. The realization when the inevitable discrep…

My method was “look at your fingers”. It’s easy, cause they are familiar and often in sight by default. I remember first time raising my hands and seeing that.
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