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Living in a Lucid Dream

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Re: Living in a Lucid Dream

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I frequently have lucid dreams, in that I'm entirely aware of that fact that I'm dreaming while in the dream. What I find interesting, however, is that if I have a dream I forgot to study for my test, or I'm naked at school because I left my clothes somewhere else, or the school play starts tonight and I haven't memorized a single line... the fact that I know I'm dreaming doesn't help at all . Because the problem is…

I’ve explored it in my 30s and it wasn’t like you described. Once I’m aware, I can change the plot by soft transition, remove the eerie elements, somewhat control flights, etc. But not too much because something monitors “glitches the matrix” and disconnects me for cheating. Not that I didn’t know who I am or what is or isn’t absurd, but thinking about it long enough wakes me up. I believe your lucidness is not too d…

I think that depends upon the dream space you find yourself in. If it is an internal dream space for yourself, you tend to have more control (if you do have control).

However, I've been in many shared spaces that have varying rules on how much things can be changed. Many of them are what I describe as "sim" spaces. There are also spaces where it is procedurally-generated -- for example, deliberately taking a path you know has not been used, and the whole space pauses, as things are procedurally generated to create that new area on the fly.

Finally, it's a two way street. Connection to a space has as much to do with how your consciousness is attuned to that space; trying to change the environment too much is as much as your consciousness shifting out of alignment with that space, and disconnecting as it is the space resisting changes.

As an example, I remember one interesting experience where I was talking to someone. Three people entered the space, with their own (subconcious) idea of things, which created changes in the environment to fit their consciousness state. It's similar to how Will Wight described things in his Traveler's Gate series, when someone from one realm goes into another, and that other realm starts morphing towards the first realm. I don't think those three knew what they were doing, and it was kinda rude.

Re: Living in a Lucid Dream

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I frequently have lucid dreams, in that I'm entirely aware of that fact that I'm dreaming while in the dream. What I find interesting, however, is that if I have a dream I forgot to study for my test, or I'm naked at school because I left my clothes somewhere else, or the school play starts tonight and I haven't memorized a single line... the fact that I know I'm dreaming doesn't help at all . Because the problem is…

Interesting. I lucid dream quite frequently, and not only am I perfectly aware of my waking reality, but I have full dual body control. Like if I’m flying around but I can tell that my real leg is uncomfortable I can make the adjustment without thinking twice about it.

Re: Living in a Lucid Dream

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Richard Feynman reports in his biography on his own experiments with lucid dreaming. He found sleep to not be restful enough anymore, found it impossible to switch the lucid part of dreaming off and eventually had a negative experience that caused him to stop.

Everything is best enjoyed in moderation. The current consensus among the LD community is the same: Lucid dreams aren't as charging as normal ones. There's no scientific definitive answer but many think it's because the prefrontal cortex is 'turned on' in LD while it remains off in normal dreams.

The question is though, will there be a way to "enforce" lucid dreams? Would be nice to have the option, but as far as I understand it is not really achievable without training and thus getting into degrading sleep quality.

Re: Living in a Lucid Dream

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>> read the watch > It's not testing the perception of time It's literally testing the perception of time?

It's testing the perception of reading numbers representing time while falling at a high speed and then bouncing a bit suspended off of a cliff or bridge or something. It's not obvious to me how you could conclude that the inability to read the numbers could be due to reading being hard when plummeting several hundred feet rather than due to any perception of time; if the experiment was trying to test whether the slo…

All objective observations of time involve reading numbers. You can't test subjective perception.

Ok ok, so the experiment actually just tested whether an individual frame of a high frame rate display could be read while while falling. Since it could not, we do not have objective evidence for the subjective "time slowing down" experience. We just know that there was no difference from the control, i.e. subjects were unable to read display at high frame rate under normal conditions.

That's all you know. Sure, maybe stressful conditions make it harder to read, but then again the watch is stationary with respect to the eye while falling.

Re: Living in a Lucid Dream

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’ve explored it in my 30s and it wasn’t like you described. Once I’m aware, I can change the plot by soft transition, remove the eerie elements, somewhat control flights, etc. But not too much because something monitors “glitches the matrix” and disconnects me for cheating. Not that I didn’t know who I am or what is or isn’t absurd, but thinking about it long enough wakes me up. I believe your lucidness is not too d…

I think that depends upon the dream space you find yourself in. If it is an internal dream space for yourself, you tend to have more control (if you do have control). However, I've been in many shared spaces that have varying rules on how much things can be changed. Many of them are what I describe as "sim" spaces. There are also spaces where it is procedurally-generated -- for example, deliberately taking a path you…

Serious question, do you need help?

Re: Living in a Lucid Dream

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I usually fall asleep fast, sleep through the night and wake up without any recollection of dreaming. I guess it’s usually a good thing, but it feels like im missing this whole thing a lot of other people experience.

Me too. I did have a couple of LD in my early life and the experience was amazing that I remember it to this day. But I can't seem to be able to experience it again

Re: Living in a Lucid Dream

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The way I lucid dream is to 'stay awake' through the process of falling asleep. There are a few tricks I use... but I don't recommend the experience (It can be... uncomfortable {there is a reason you don't remember the point you loose consciousness}). I don't know if these are universally applicable tricks either. But focusing on a point (visualizing it as actively as you can) seems to be important to staying awake t…

What are your tricks?

Usually Wake-Initiated Lucid Dream involves remaining completely static, to make your body believe it's sleeping. Never worked for me.

Re: Living in a Lucid Dream

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I usually fall asleep fast, sleep through the night and wake up without any recollection of dreaming. I guess it’s usually a good thing, but it feels like im missing this whole thing a lot of other people experience.

>I usually fall asleep fast, sleep through the night and wake up without any recollection of dreaming. I guess it’s usually a good thing, but it feels like im missing this whole thing a lot of other people experience.

Probably depends on people, but dreams can mess your entire next day up, it does not happen often to me but I have bad dreams like I lost my child in a crowed, or something bad happened and someone I loved died. This emotional pain in the dream I think causes something in the body to trigger sicne the next day I am still feeling like shit.

Then you might have good dreams, where all is perfect and happey and you have the thing you desired but then you wake up and you realized that it is not real and things are not good.

And for soem god dam reason like many others there is the dream with the exams.

Re: Living in a Lucid Dream

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’ve explored it in my 30s and it wasn’t like you described. Once I’m aware, I can change the plot by soft transition, remove the eerie elements, somewhat control flights, etc. But not too much because something monitors “glitches the matrix” and disconnects me for cheating. Not that I didn’t know who I am or what is or isn’t absurd, but thinking about it long enough wakes me up. I believe your lucidness is not too d…

> soft transition This completely. I learned early on to not get excited, and to not immediately do the things I want to do, e.g. fly at breakneak speed into space, but gently learn to hover and then build speed and to undetail my surroundings so that a change in speed won't be too jarring that I wake up.

Exactly. If I find myself in a school taking an exam I did not study for I have to realize I’m dreaming, remember I have total control of my surroundings, stand up, walk out of the classroom while thinking about where I want to go. Sometimes the dream throws roadblocks like “I can’t find the door out of this classroom.” The trick when a roadblock happens is to remain clam, remain confident, and find an alternative “Oh yea, the door is behind me.” If I begin losing control I often begin losing lucidity. If I exert too much control (Let’s just walk through the wall, I can do anything) then I will wake up.
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