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Re: Maker of RStudio launches new R and Python IDE

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Post by cd4plus »

ImaCake wrote: post #30
juujian wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a regular R/bash/python user, I think the Posit philosophy is increasingly to break down barriers between the languages. It's no longer an either/or relationship, you can use both. And some packages or features that have been ported to python are just objectively worse in that language, so the want for R is definitely there. Also, a lot of the Posit team are fully "bilingual", it's not like the old guard of academ…

>ported to python are just objectively worse in that language This is absolutely the case. Dplyr syntax is much more intuitive for many use cases than Pandas or Polars equivalents. One thing I miss from RStudio is the Rmarkdown documents with inline outputs. Jupyter notebooks, even in VSCode, are so needlessly over-engineered and under-featured compared to the elegance of RMarkdown. So I am excited to see what Posit…

I can't stand jupyter notebooks for several reasons. I've been using https://quarto.org/ and writing .qmd docs and really enjoy it.

Re: Maker of RStudio launches new R and Python IDE

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Post by aydyn »

gepost wrote: post #17

What is the strategy behind the dizzying pace of product changes in the R/Python space? I heard that RStudio was a great product, yet they have to redo everything again, of course also renaming the company as is also standard practice in the Python "scientific" market. Is it Jupyter envy? Why is it not possible to keep one good product and stay with it? I wish MatLab licenses weren't so expensive, at this point I'd j…

The issue is R is too small compared to Python and the gap is getting bigger. Theyre trying to grow the company, and realistically the only way is to support python.

Re: Maker of RStudio launches new R and Python IDE

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Post by aydyn »

dongobread wrote: post #29
0cf8612b2e1e wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the R people see the writing on the wall. Python has sucked all the air out of the room, and it is becoming increasingly difficult for them to target the R space exclusively. If you had no legacy or compliance requirements, are you going to start a new data project in SAS, R, or Python? Where are you going to find the most talent?

I'm not sure what would lead to you believe this. I've worked in the data science/ML space for over a decade now and I see the majority of pure analytics projects started in R, including at big tech companies I've worked at recently. Of course, ML projects and other things that need to result in production-grade models are almost always done in Python. This is currently the most visible form of "data project" due to…

Youre wrong. Python is outpacing R in usage. Every metric you can find proves it. R also has fundamental issues and lacks serious development.

Re: Maker of RStudio launches new R and Python IDE

#34

Post by archiewood »

ImaCake wrote: post #30
juujian wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a regular R/bash/python user, I think the Posit philosophy is increasingly to break down barriers between the languages. It's no longer an either/or relationship, you can use both. And some packages or features that have been ported to python are just objectively worse in that language, so the want for R is definitely there. Also, a lot of the Posit team are fully "bilingual", it's not like the old guard of academ…

>ported to python are just objectively worse in that language This is absolutely the case. Dplyr syntax is much more intuitive for many use cases than Pandas or Polars equivalents. One thing I miss from RStudio is the Rmarkdown documents with inline outputs. Jupyter notebooks, even in VSCode, are so needlessly over-engineered and under-featured compared to the elegance of RMarkdown. So I am excited to see what Posit…

You might be interested in what we’re building over at Evidence.dev

It’s basically RMarkdown for SQL

Re: Maker of RStudio launches new R and Python IDE

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Post by asdff »

ImaCake wrote: post #30
juujian wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a regular R/bash/python user, I think the Posit philosophy is increasingly to break down barriers between the languages. It's no longer an either/or relationship, you can use both. And some packages or features that have been ported to python are just objectively worse in that language, so the want for R is definitely there. Also, a lot of the Posit team are fully "bilingual", it's not like the old guard of academ…

>ported to python are just objectively worse in that language This is absolutely the case. Dplyr syntax is much more intuitive for many use cases than Pandas or Polars equivalents. One thing I miss from RStudio is the Rmarkdown documents with inline outputs. Jupyter notebooks, even in VSCode, are so needlessly over-engineered and under-featured compared to the elegance of RMarkdown. So I am excited to see what Posit…

I don't even know why people need to use dpyler and the tidyverse, in my opinion R is very comfortable for data wrangling and making all kinds of plots out of the box. Its able to handle huge amounts of data as well especially if you adopt a functional programming approach vs object oriented (what I see with a lot of the classic "academic" brittle hardcoded slop that R gets a bad rap for). Very fast if you keep in mind it is a vectorized language and write your scripts with that perspective. Tidyverse seems like a new, unrelated syntax to learn on top of it all, whereas the base graphics packages very much work like the base statistical functions and the base data wrangling and everything else in the base R package.

Re: Maker of RStudio launches new R and Python IDE

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Post by stoperaticless »

aydyn wrote: post #33
dongobread wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure what would lead to you believe this. I've worked in the data science/ML space for over a decade now and I see the majority of pure analytics projects started in R, including at big tech companies I've worked at recently. Of course, ML projects and other things that need to result in production-grade models are almost always done in Python. This is currently the most visible form of "data project" due to…

Youre wrong. Python is outpacing R in usage. Every metric you can find proves it. R also has fundamental issues and lacks serious development.

s/serious/hyped

Re: Maker of RStudio launches new R and Python IDE

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Post by asdff »

manilbeat wrote: post #20
gepost wrote: post #17

What is the strategy behind the dizzying pace of product changes in the R/Python space? I heard that RStudio was a great product, yet they have to redo everything again, of course also renaming the company as is also standard practice in the Python "scientific" market. Is it Jupyter envy? Why is it not possible to keep one good product and stay with it? I wish MatLab licenses weren't so expensive, at this point I'd j…

Rstudio came out a long time ago at this point. I actually think it feels quite dated personally. A data science focused version of VS Code with some kind of notebook sounds rather awesome to me.

There is already Rmarkdown and great tutorials to go along with that for the budding R data scientist

Re: Maker of RStudio launches new R and Python IDE

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Post by jasonjmcghee »

adityamwagh wrote: post #7
teruakohatu wrote: post #5

This looks great, combining the best of VSCode and RStudio. I prefer coding in VSCode but prefer data exploration in RStudio. One issue with this is the lack of copilot. Copilot can be installed on VSCodium [1] but it breaks often. The other is MS’s proprietary Remove Development extension that enables a lot of functionality in VSCode. There is an open equivalent but I haven’t tried it [2] [1] https://github.com/VSCo…

How are you guys using Copilot? I feel it’s a PITA and interferes in between everytime I try to use it. How do you use it properly?

Manual trigger via shortcut key made it a useful tool I reach for in certain contexts.

Automatic not being useful was the least of the issue, it used crazy CPU, slowed down the IDE, and drained my battery too.

Re: Maker of RStudio launches new R and Python IDE

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Post by asdff »

kyawzazaw wrote: post #27
0cf8612b2e1e wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the R people see the writing on the wall. Python has sucked all the air out of the room, and it is becoming increasingly difficult for them to target the R space exclusively. If you had no legacy or compliance requirements, are you going to start a new data project in SAS, R, or Python? Where are you going to find the most talent?

the problem is life sciences and statisticans are not going to learn Python though. and that's the talent

On the ground however, they learn both. Or I should say if you find someone who is exclusive to one or the other language (which happens), they aren't much of a programmer to begin with. There is a whole food chain essentially in life sciences in academia with computer knowledge. There are those who write the tooling, who are perhaps so abstracted they don't know the underlying biology and vet their tooling based on simulated data and a comparison with existing tooling, toiling in their own castles on tooling that might not ever see a real dataset. There are those who use the tooling to create novel pipelines to analyze data and draw conclusions based on their own or their collaborators literature research or life science perspectives, they might not care if the finding is truly novel or if its merely proving an existing gumption with a tool that hasn't yet been applied to an existing dataset. Then there are also those who run the pipelines created by others within their research group, sometimes others who have long left that given research group, with brittle hardcoded paths and other "DO NOT TOUCH" segments in a massive single 2500 line file that gurgitates some plots from a standard sort of csv file as input.

Re: Maker of RStudio launches new R and Python IDE

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Post by Terretta »

kleiba wrote: post #2

Speaking of which: does anyone here on HN feel comfortable recommending a Python IDE that's half-way bearable on iPads?

Pythonista is nicer but ships older Python:

https://omz-software.com/pythonista/

Pyto is maybe less approachable but more up to date, with clang compiler and LLVM bitcode interpreter:

https://pyto.app/

Juno is Python notebooks:

https://juno.sh/https://juno.sh/

In general I prefer Blink Code:

https://docs.blink.sh/advanced/code

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